Replica or a modern reproduction?

[Buzz]

Release the Kraken!

[Ralphy]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

After you are finished reading the self seving analysis offered here you will find the correct answers in the current SAAC Registry of Cobras & GT40s.

I resent that remark, nothing self serving in my comment. All tongue and cheek here.

Ralphy

[Jaydee]

I think that everyone wants to answer the public without them walking away, and muttering, bugger it's not real. If you say kit car, they think it came out of a cornflakes box and glued together like a scale model. If you say, Is a v8 supercar a real commodore or ford? no its a replica with a worked engine and a body wrapped around a race car, to look like a street car. Without wanting to upset real1, they were all replicas of a English built ace and fully worked to be a race car. They were put together with different bits and pieces from the start. I'm just proud to own one, and that's all that matters to me.
JD

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Ralphy

I resent that remark, nothing self serving in my comment. All tongue and cheek here.

Ralphy

Gee, let me be the first to apologize. Couldn't see your tounge in your cheek.

Can you see mine?

Btw I resented your remark in post 14. Whether it was self serving or not it's factually incorrect and clearly a shot at what you don't own.

Btw, price is totally irrelevant to the answer to the question.

It's all in the Resgistry. Read and learn. The op asked for the "right" answer to give. Not some contorted bs that contains a shot at something your clearly don't own.

[Ralphy]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Btw I resented your remark in post 14. Whether it was self serving or not it's factually incorrect and clearly a shot at what you don't own.

What the H are you talking about?

First off you said, "it's factually incorrect" EXACTLY! And contorted, that's the point.

I would love to own a Shelby. All though I'd take a Kirkham first. Your over thinking my post a bit, lay off the caffeine! lol

You also said, "The op asked for the "right" answer to give. Not some contorted bs that contains a shot at something your clearly don't own."

Notice the OP replied to me in post 17, "Haha lol"
That's between me and the OP, not a self appointed board monitor.

I guess the OP liked my contorted BS answer. And by now you've seen many others give BS contorted answers to the old question. We all know the situation, we've all experienced the, "what is it?" So you going after the other 40 or so posters?



Ralphy

[jolsen42]

As I said earlier, this is just so silly.

John O

[lmmargheritis]

Mine is a Factory 5 Mk4. You can elaborate by explaining that it is a well thought out component car much like the originals were but without the $1,000,000.00 price tag.

[hectorturer]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

After you are finished reading the self seving analysis offered here you will find the correct answers in the current SAAC Registry of Cobras & GT40s. Your car is correctly defined as a replica/kit car by SAAC. It is not Cobra but a replica of one. It's all in the SAAC Registry. No better source for authoritative information.

And the Cobra is then a replica of the original AC? Thks

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by hectorturer

And the Cobra is then a replica of the original AC? Thks

Incorrect. Do some homework.

[frdfver]

I like Tribute to the Original Cobra, Replica is close, but many cars are replicas in the very looseness of the term.

[BillyB]

Does it matter?

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by hectorturer

What would be the right answer to all the people that ask me when driving around? Many compliments to the car but the question always comes, is that car original? I said is an improved Shelby Cobra reproduction. The replica or kit sounds unreliable in this part of the world

I don't think there is a right answer that "all" people will put in the same context. IMO it's not a Shelby Cobra unless it was produced by and invoiced out under SAI or one of lt's Carrol Shelby-owned iterations. However, the term "Cobra" alone has become a generic term that applies to all of these cars, whether original Shelby cars or replicas/kit cars/customs/hot rods that exhibit a similar body design and style. So I would call it whatever makes sense to you - because your description will probably satisfy some people, but others will put it in a different context.

I like Cobra Replica myself. To me a kit car is an antiquated term from the days of dune buggies and Fiberfab Avengers or whatever they were that bolted on to a VW chassis. Also, my context of "kit" cars is more in line with a custom car that does not try to closely mimic any particular manufactured car but is more custom syled. The term kit car IMO doesn't match a lot of these cars that come as completed roller/runners such as Kirtham, Backdraft, ERA, Unique, etc. Some can be had both ways - as a complete roller/runner, or as a do-it yourself project - like ERA. Others are only available as a do-it-yourself project like "FFR". The term 'replica' implies it is intended to closely resemble or mimic the original. But I guess if it originally arrived at your home strapped to a pallet with a couple dozen boxes of parts and assembly instructions - it's a kit. When it's assembled, it's a Cobra replica.

[Bartruff1]

I could care less what the " Registry " says. Not all replicas are kit cars. I clearly own a replica.

[jolsen42]

Isn't this fun!! and SILLY.

John O

[fjrgary]

real shelby cobras were built in the 60's. it doesn't matter how much you paid or what it says in the registry, ALL THE REST ARE KITS, REPLICAS, CLONES, REPRODUCTIONS or what ever else you wish to call them. that's just the way it is......DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bartruff1]

The originals were built in the 1960''s.....but Shelby Cobras are still being built today by Shelby America just as Porsche's and Ferrari's and Jaguar's and Bugatti's and Bentley's and Rolls ect....so deal with it.

[REAL 1]

It's actually simpler than that.

Per SAAC based on the official definitions you have amoug others:

Original series Cobras.
CSX series Cobras (aka Continuation Series Cobras)
Replica/kit cars (these cars are NOT Cobras)

Guys here can bang their rattle on the floor like the guy in post #29 with that worn out mantra or you can come up with your own definitions, explanations and/or position (which mean nothing to anyone but you) or you can accept the world leading authority's position as stated in the Bible of all things Cobra of which I am sure many of you even belong to the organization known as SAAC by paying a membership fee and or even purchased a Registry.

As a hobby we do informally refer to all these cars as Cobras for ease of reference and perhaps out of a sense of camaraderie. Yes, I get that and do it myself and have no problem with it at all but when you are getting "technical" it's all right there in the Registry.

When the OP is asked what his SPF is or if it's original the "right" answer is "it's a replica of a Cobra". What he chooses to actually say I couldn't care less.

[lmmargheritis]

Not to get into a pissing match but from my understanding the "New Continuations cars are not completely built by Shelby American. I was at Hilbank Motorsports and witnessed first hand the completion of the 50 (50 Year Anniversary Cars " that were badged as Cobras. Hilbank is part of Superformance. It is also my understanding that the aluminum bodies and perhaps even the fiberglass bodies used on the new CSX cars are made by "Kit Car Manufacturers" for Shelby American. How are these not to be considered something other than true Cobras.

The only true Cobras in my opinion are those built in the 60's. The rest are nice but not "REAL" and while Carrol Shelby was able to sue the pants off several component car builders the end result is that they were not able to use the word "Cobra" in their description. I don't refer to mine as a Cobra but rather as a replica of a 1965 Shelby Cobra. Anyone that has hand built one of these will agree that they are far from being a Kit car. I sometimes wish it were "kit" car given the amount of research and time spent researching parts and manufacturing parts to get it built right. Heck, it is commonly known that the manual that comes with these cars are nothing more than door stops.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

It's actually simpler than that.

Per SAAC based on the official definitions you have amoug others:

Original series Cobras.
CSX series Cobras (aka Continuation Series Cobras)
Replica/kit cars (these cars are NOT Cobras)

Guys here can bang their rattle on the floor like the guy in post #29 with that worn out mantra or you can come up with your own definitions, explanations and/or position (which mean nothing to anyone but you) or you can accept the world leading authority's position as stated in the Bible of all things Cobra of which I am sure many of you even belong to the organization known as SAAC by paying a membership fee and or even purchased a Registry.

As a hobby we do informally refer to all these cars as Cobras for ease of reference and perhaps out of a sense of camaraderie. Yes, I get that and do it myself and have no problem with it at all but when you are getting "technical" it's all right there in the Registry.

When the OP is asked what his SPF is or if it's original the "right" answer is "it's a replica of a Cobra". What he chooses to actually say I couldn't care less.

[hectorturer]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

The originals were built in the 1960''s.....but Shelby Cobras are still being built today by Shelby America just as Porsche's and Ferrari's and Jaguar's and Bugatti's and Bentley's and Rolls ect....so deal with it.

My understanding is that Shelby America order their replicas in the same factory, in South Africa, were the Superformance are produced. Also from Kirkarm they get car bodies. Do Shelby call their cars replica or reproduction? Thks

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by hectorturer

My understanding is that Shelby America order their replicas in the same factory, in South Africa, were the Superformance are produced. Also from Kirkarm they get car bodies. Do Shelby call their cars replica or reproduction? Thks

Shelby American uses a number of sources for fabricators for their bodies and chassis built to their spec. AC was a supplier in the 60s. Kirkham and Hightech today. The fiberglass Cobra bodies and chassis High-tech builds for Shelby to SAI spec are in a completely different orbit than your SPF replica. High-tech takes pride in the fact they were chosen to fabricate fiberglass Cobras for Shelby. Both Shelby and High-tech make clear that the cars they fabricate for Shelby are Cobras and the SPF replica they make like your car is a licensed "replica" of a Cobra but it is not a Cobra. The Registry is clear on this too. Btw this answers your original question too.

Hopes this helps.