Replica or a modern reproduction?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by mdross1

Well gentlemen now that we have beaten this subject to death, let the hair on the backs of your necks your lay back down. We can opinion this till we are blue in the face we are certainly aware that the Real 1 has a Real One his adamant defense of that fact says it all. I would hope that does not get in the way of him hanging with those of us that choose to build and drive non 62 to 68 Cobras.

Heck no! I'd hang out with many of you any time (except for those that attacked me personally absent an apology). As these thread go this one was pretty tame.

LMH: No you are wrong. The OP was inquiring in regard to his SPF.
Anyway just to make you happy Larry, I'll answer the question that wasn't asked: when I am asked if my Cobra is real I say yes, its a "Continuation Series Shelby Cobra". If the question is "is it original" the answer is "no, its a Continuation Series Shelby Cobra".

Hey, Anthony is right! this is just like old times.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Heck no! I'd hang out with many of you any time (except for those that attacked me personally absent an apology). As these thread go this one was pretty tame.

LMH: No you are wrong. The OP was inquiring in regard to his SPF.
Anyway just to make you happy Larry, I'll answer the question that wasn't asked: when I am asked if my Cobra is real I say yes, its a "Continuation Series Shelby Cobra". If the question is "is it original" the answer is "no, its a Continuation Series Shelby Cobra".

Hey, Anthony is right! this is just like old times.

If that's how you answer the question, I feel better about you then!
Larry

[Anthony]

Ahhh. This thread brings back such good memories.

[Thor maine]

So I guess we can say that Real-1, you have a genuine Shelby kit car. Federal requires that they be sold as " special built kits" (no engine no transmission). Who has the final word The Federal Government of The United States of America or Real-1 holding a copy of the SAAC registry???

[dallas_]

Why oh why oh why....

Did I even click on this thread?

[AL427SBF]

The Shelby American CSX series has direct lineage to the original, no other "cobra variant" can make that claim, hence the proper SAAC distinction.

Following the FIA World Manufacturing Championship in 1965, Shelby American began work on upgrading our signature roadster design. In 1966 we debuted the 427 S/C, our most powerful high-performance roadster, for street and competition (S/C). We developed independent suspension, fortified the frame to handle the increase in torque, and made adjustments to the body to set it apart from our other models. We resumed production of the Cobra 427 S/C (CSX4000-series) in 1997 and they’re available today in aluminum or fiberglass.
Shelby American Inc. - 2012 GT350

You may not like it, but the fact remains your kit car replica does not equal a CSX in the eyes of SAAC, nor should it. If that bothers you then you should have bought a CSX.

[Thor maine]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

The Shelby American CSX series has direct lineage to the original, no other "cobra variant" can make that claim, hence the proper SAAC distinction.

Following the FIA World Manufacturing Championship in 1965, Shelby American began work on upgrading our signature roadster design. In 1966 we debuted the 427 S/C, our most powerful high-performance roadster, for street and competition (S/C). We developed independent suspension, fortified the frame to handle the increase in torque, and made adjustments to the body to set it apart from our other models. We resumed production of the Cobra 427 S/C (CSX4000-series) in 1997 and they’re available today in aluminum or fiberglass.
Shelby American Inc. - 2012 GT350

You may not like it, but the fact remains your kit car replica does not equal a CSX in the eyes of SAAC, nor should it. If that bothers you then you should have bought a CSX.

So does the company that has purchased or leased the AC marque also have direct lineage and is now making "Cobras" (with GM power) ???

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Thor maine

So does the company that has purchased or leased the AC marque also have direct lineage and is now making "Cobras" (with GM power) ???

wrong

[Thor maine]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

The Shelby American CSX series has direct lineage to the original, no other "cobra variant" can make that claim, hence the proper SAAC distinction.

You may not like it, but the fact remains your kit car replica does not equal a CSX in the eyes of SAAC, nor should it. If that bothers you then you should have bought a CSX.

I ask this question again, I have read a couple more articles on them. AC Cars LTD has sold/ leased / licensed the rights to the name plus intellectual property. So the new company is called AC Heritage and they are making continuation Cobras. I guess they have revived the COB 4XXXX serial numbering system and they made a deal with GM for LS-7 engines. So they also have a "Direct Line of Lineage" from AC (Like the company who bought the right to the INDIAN motorcycle ) . So are these on the same level as the continuation CSX series cars.

[buddyg]

And a lot of us could care less what SAAC says. The only real original Cobras were built in the 60's. Everything else is a reproduction including CSX cars. Shelby licensed my Cobra to be built so what. It's still a reproduction of the original.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by buddyg

And a lot of us could care less what SAAC says. The only real original Cobras were built in the 60's. Everything else is a reproduction including CSX cars. Shelby licensed my Cobra to be built so what. It's still a reproduction of the original.

One is a license for someone else to build a "replica", the other is the original manufacturer resuming production. Your SPF is not a CSX, in fact one could make the argument that your SPF is a replica of a CSX lol.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by buddyg

And a lot of us could care less what SAAC says. The only real original Cobras were built in the 60's. Everything else is a reproduction including CSX cars. Shelby licensed my Cobra to be built so what. It's still a reproduction of the original.

Yes, we understand a lot of you couldn't care less about what SAAC says in it's World Registry which is the world's most highly regarded authority and text compiled and contributed to by numerous experts in the field on these cars. I get it. That's fine. No one is going to change your mind and the other anti CSX cohorts here about "not caring what SAAC says". We get that too. Not trying to change your minds. That will clearly never happen. I wouldn't waste my very valuable time trying to do that.

What I am doing is making sure you and those like you here who set forth you homespun self serving "personal" dribble as to "your view" of Continuation Cobra and a Cobra which is now part of Cobra history too stands clearly corrected on a public forum where many who are interested in the hobby come visit aren't misinformed by the garbage you guys spew about this terrific and significant car and part of Shelby and Cobra history.

There, I said it.

Cheers.

P.S. AL427SBF: Very interesting point and you are 100% right. The Spf, FFR, ERAs and the rest etc...are actually replicas of the Continuation Cobra also. That's gonna drive the peanut gallery here wild! Wow, that really helps put it in perspective. Excellent point!!!!!

[Ralphy]

P.S. AL427SBF: Very interesting point and you are 100% right. "The Spf, FFR, ERAs and the rest etc...are actually replicas of the Continuation Cobra" also. That's gonna drive the peanut gallery here wild! Wow, that really helps put it in perspective. Excellent point!!!!!

But how's that possible since many of the replicas were built before the Continuation Cars? Duh...

Also I can't remember which manufacture it was. But it was clearly stated they copied the body of an Original they had got hold of. They even gave the chassis number. BS

Glory be, now it's the Continuation Car that made The Replicas popular not an Original.




Ralphy

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

... P.S. AL427SBF: Very interesting point and you are 100% right. The Spf, FFR, ERAs and the rest etc...are actually replicas of the Continuation Cobra also. That's gonna drive the peanut gallery here wild! Wow, that really helps put it in perspective. Excellent point!!!!!

With 21st century refinements incorporated into all these kit car replicas today,
I would say the CSX is actually what is being copied versus the original, ain't that a biatch

[Ralphy]

Cool! So I can buy an exact copy of a Continuation for maybe 1/3rd the price? Sounds like a winner to me! Oh....No.... someone's price gouging it looks.

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

With 21st century refinements incorporated into all these kit car replicas today,
I would say the CSX is actually what is being cloned versus the original, ain't that a biatch

Ralphy

[OnyxRider]

You guys at it again????


I wish that when the word Cobra is used with vehicles it would mean the original 1960's ones. See I had to state original and should not have done so.

I wish that everything else would frigging have words added like reproduction, replica, tribute or whatever!!!!


You know how many hours over the years looking at BS ads for non "original" Cobras? Too frigging many!!!

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[Ralphy]

Shelby American did run ads in Kit Car Magazine did they not?

Ralphy

[Al G]

Originally Posted by Ralphy

Shelby American did run ads in Kit Car Magazine did they not?

Ralphy

So? Maybe they wanted to show kit car owners or potential buyers another option. Isn't that what advertisers do?

When people ask about my car I say it is a real Shelby Cobra. Not original, but real. I am very careful to explain the difference and educate them on the continuation cars. I'm giving them a factual answer and not implying I own something I don't.

After reading this thread it seems to me the CSX owners who have chimed in are more likely to give an unambiguous answer than some owners of other brands.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Al G

... After reading this thread it seems to me the CSX owners who have chimed in are more likely to give an unambiguous answer than some owners of other brands.

Seems to be the case, but then you CSX guys can give an answer much closer to expectations without false embellishment

[LMH]

We could make it a lot worse! "Cobra" actually only applies to the leaf spring cars.

No, I better not go there!
Larry