Mystery solved. Shelby Trust to sell Real Cobras

[REAL 1]

CSX 1000s do bring a premium and are more limited in number. What are they going for in general now? Where were most of them sold out of?

Also, I'm confused. If CSX 1020 it has no connection to AC Ltd why does it have a CSX 1000 vin?

Also Hillbank has CSX 3060 for sale at $259K. Clearly an original run Completion car.

[mullen2]

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Originally Posted by REAL 1

CSX 1000s do bring a premium and are more limited in number. What are they going for in general now? Where were most of them sold out of?

Also, I'm confused. If CSX 1020 it has no connection to AC Ltd why does it have a CSX 1000 vin?

Also Hillbank has CSX 3060 for sale at $259K. Clearly an original run Completion car.

The original batch of CSX1000 cars were ordered by Carroll personally from AC in England back in 2003 timeframe. The first one CSX1001 he kept and was his personal car titled and registered in his name, he later donated it to be raffled off to a lucky winner for his foundation.

It took a long time for AC cars ltd to make each body and chassis and customers who already paid for the cars were getting impatient. The relationship between Carroll and AC went south at some point and AC closed up shop and left England in 2006 to Malta.

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[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by mullen2

The original batch of CSX1000 cars were ordered by Carroll personally from AC in England back in 2003 timeframe. The first one CSX1001 he kept and was his personal car titled and registered in his name, he later donated it to be raffled off to a lucky winner for his foundation.

It took a long time for AC cars ltd to make each body and chassis and customers who already paid for the cars were getting impatient. The relationship between Carroll and AC went south at some point and AC closed up shop and left England in 2006 to Malta. At that point AC cars was pretty much was no more. Only 13 cars were completed and made it to Shelby in Vegas. Shelby continued to sell the CSX1000 series as english premium aluminum body cars but they were no longer "AC" Shelbys. The remaining CSX1000's were finished by either North Devon Craft Metals or Brooklands to the best of my knowledge.

Basically bringing back the AC English built cars on AC tooling and body bucks fell apart after only building 13 cars.

CSX1020 is a beautiful car and in my opinion a deal at the asking price. But only the CSX1000 cars with bodies and chassis actually built by "AC" with the "AC Shelby Cobra" nose badge leagally attached from the shelby factory(See attached photo) and special "AC" vin plate under the hood are considered AC built and the most desirable of the series. I am pretty sure only the first 13 of the series are considered "AC Shelby Cobras".
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Interesting history. There is a csx1000 topic or two here would you be willing to post this in those too? I'm on my cell phone so searching for the right place and linking would be difficult. Search for csx1000 should get you to one of them

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by mullen2

The original batch of CSX1000 cars were ordered by Carroll personally from AC in England back in 2003 timeframe. The first one CSX1001 he kept and was his personal car titled and registered in his name, he later donated it to be raffled off to a lucky winner for his foundation.

It took a long time for AC cars ltd to make each body and chassis and customers who already paid for the cars were getting impatient. The relationship between Carroll and AC went south at some point and AC closed up shop and left England in 2006 to Malta. At that point AC cars was pretty much was no more. Only 13 cars were completed and made it to Shelby in Vegas. Shelby continued to sell the CSX1000 series as english premium aluminum body cars but they were no longer "AC" Shelbys. The remaining CSX1000's were finished by either North Devon Craft Metals or Brooklands to the best of my knowledge.

Basically bringing back the AC English built cars on AC tooling and body bucks fell apart after only building 13 cars.

CSX1020 is a beautiful car and in my opinion a deal at the asking price. But only the CSX1000 cars with bodies and chassis actually built by "AC" with the "AC Shelby Cobra" nose badge leagally attached from the shelby factory(See attached photo) and special "AC" vin plate under the hood are considered AC built and the most desirable of the series. I am pretty sure only the first 13 of the series are considered "AC Shelby Cobras".
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Interesting history. There is a csx1000 topic or two here would you be willing to post this in those too? I'm on my cell phone so searching for the right place and linking would be difficult. Search for csx1000 should get you to one of them

[rodneym]

Ah, yes. The old, "the 1 at the end of the VIN was hard to read, excuse".

[fordracing65]

Like I said, here come all the stories of where and how these cars came about and no body really knows crap...

[mullen2]

Originally Posted by REAL 1 "Also Hillbank has CSX 3060 for sale at $259K. Clearly an original run Completion car."



CSX3060 at Hillbank has a strange history. Not sure if it is even a Shelby. vin is really CSX30601 here is the story I was given by Hillbank a while back when I looked at it.

"This car was serial numbered CSX30601 by Brian when it was first built. The car was sold to a gentleman in Japan where the car was raced in Japan and Malaysia. In the 90's the car was shipped back to the US to be refurbished. Shortly after shipping the car to the US the Japanese owner was incarcerated and abandoned the Cobra. U.S. Customs Department removed the serial number tag and turned it over to the shipping company. They put it up for auction and it was purchased by a California resident who completely restored the car to concourse quality condition. The car was thought to be the Shelby continuation car "CSX3060" as in the '97 Shelby registry. It is stamped CSX30601 on the frame but the "1" and the end of the VIN number was hard to read. The car was sold in 2003 for over $400,000 to a very prominent collector of Shelby's and was in his world class museum ever since. Recently the owner of the real CSX3060 surfaced and the true story of this car came alive. This car is even talked about in the current Shelby registry.
This is truly more of a true original Shelby Cobra then the eight Shelby continuation cars that were built in the 90's and sold for over $500,000 new. Those cars were thought by the public to be built with original bodies and chassis left over from the original 60's production. The cars were not even built by Shelby, they were all contracted to be built by Mark McCluskey in Southern California. All the bodies and chassis were built by Mark in the 90's.

The body and chassis on this car was built in England by AC Cars Ltd using all of the original tooling used to build the original AC Cobras in the 60's. When this AC Cobra was restored in the 90's, they want above and beyond to make this car appear to be an authentic Shelby AC Cobra 427 S/C to anybody looking at it. Just to give you an example they used genuine Shelby pin-drive knock off wheels, Shelby wood steering wheel, original ford auxiliary fan motors, Lucas headlights, gauges, Goodyear Eagle racing tires, 36 gallon fuel tank etc. Even the wiring looms are done exactly like the original cars. This is perfect mirror image to the original Shelby AC Cobra 427S/C built in 1966 and is correct in every detail."

[mrmustang]

I'd buy it if SWMBO would allow me her last "highly coveted" indoor garage space

Bill S.

Originally Posted by mullen2

Originally Posted by REAL 1 "Also Hillbank has CSX 3060 for sale at $259K. Clearly an original run Completion car."



CSX3060 at Hillbank has a strange history. Not sure if it is even a Shelby. vin is really CSX30601 here is the story I was given by Hillbank a while back when I looked at it.

"This car was serial numbered CSX30601 by Brian when it was first built. The car was sold to a gentleman in Japan where the car was raced in Japan and Malaysia. In the 90's the car was shipped back to the US to be refurbished. Shortly after shipping the car to the US the Japanese owner was incarcerated and abandoned the Cobra. U.S. Customs Department removed the serial number tag and turned it over to the shipping company. They put it up for auction and it was purchased by a California resident who completely restored the car to concourse quality condition. The car was thought to be the Shelby continuation car "CSX3060" as in the '97 Shelby registry. It is stamped CSX30601 on the frame but the "1" and the end of the VIN number was hard to read. The car was sold in 2003 for over $400,000 to a very prominent collector of Shelby's and was in his world class museum ever since. Recently the owner of the real CSX3060 surfaced and the true story of this car came alive. This car is even talked about in the current Shelby registry.
This is truly more of a true original Shelby Cobra then the eight Shelby continuation cars that were built in the 90's and sold for over $500,000 new. Those cars were thought by the public to be built with original bodies and chassis left over from the original 60's production. The cars were not even built by Shelby, they were all contracted to be built by Mark McCluskey in Southern California. All the bodies and chassis were built by Mark in the 90's.

The body and chassis on this car was built in England by AC Cars Ltd using all of the original tooling used to build the original AC Cobras in the 60's. When this AC Cobra was restored in the 90's, they want above and beyond to make this car appear to be an authentic Shelby AC Cobra 427 S/C to anybody looking at it. Just to give you an example they used genuine Shelby pin-drive knock off wheels, Shelby wood steering wheel, original ford auxiliary fan motors, Lucas headlights, gauges, Goodyear Eagle racing tires, 36 gallon fuel tank etc. Even the wiring looms are done exactly like the original cars. This is perfect mirror image to the original Shelby AC Cobra 427S/C built in 1966 and is correct in every detail."

[mullen2]

I have to correct my self from my earlier post. Brooklands was involved with CSX1001 with AC and as well as some of the other 1000 cars with AC. For the last few years I have been trying to learn as much as I can about the 1000 series and the time line of AC cars. I am still learning and adding bits and pieces of information as I am able to get it. If/when I can get the story straight Ill share it.

[REAL 1]

I would not pay a premium for CSX 1020 if it has no connection to AC. No way. Beside the true 1000 series the cars the only cars I would pay a premium which are the 14 that made it before Lubinsky fled to Malta are the Special Edition CSX Shelby's such as the Elliot, 40th, the few Comp cars they did, Challenge cars and the early aluminum Shelby's which were finished at Las Vegas when they were still putting on the right stuff like NOS light trim rings, NOS style seats, Smith Gauges, Girling brakes, Lucas switches, correct suspension and when Carroll was still there and involved. The only option in those days was the diff cooler which I opted for. Now its like a Chinese menu. You get 4 wheels, a chassis and body. Everything else is optional.

I was ...ugh, wrong (doesn't happen often )...on CSX 30601. It is a car with a checkered past. Seem like it is NOT an original Shelby Completion Series but built by Brian Angliss as a thumb in the eye to Shelby when they were still carrying on with each other and throwing toys out of their cribs so to speak. It was meant as sign that AC can also assign Chassis numbers with CSX. Not true but that was the point he was trying to make. The "1" was likely added later by someone after the genuine "Completion" CSX 3060 surfaced and the owner threw a fit.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

Like I said, here come all the stories of where and how these cars came about and no body really knows crap...

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Also, I'm confused. If CSX 1020 it has no connection to AC Ltd why does it have a CSX 1000 vin?

Originally Posted by mullen2

While CSX1020 is a english made body it is not on the original bucks,tooling, or by AC cars. The AC Body and Chassis on the earlier CSX1000 cars bring a premium vs the non AC built cars.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Now its like a Chinese menu. You get 4 wheels, a chassis and body. Everything else is optional.

This is/will be the problem with the Shelby Continuation/Completion/Resurrection/Replica legacy. There are too many stories, too many variables, too many builders, too many nuances, too much confusion. I feel sorry for the SAAC Registrar. They'll have to catalog all of it.

Back to the Resurrection Cobra. And maybe Tony answered it already. But why did Shelby hire both Drew Serb and Kirkham to produce the first two cars in this next series. I don't know Drew Serb's production capabilities or know anything about the quality of his work, but Kirkham is the recognized leader in this industry, when top notch manufacturing, aluminum Cobra bodies and Shelby Cobra knowledge is required for the job.

I wonder is it because Kirkham is producing the 50th Anniversary vehicles AND the Resurrection Cobras, that additional resources are required? In the end, having just one source for your product would seem to be the most efficient and best for QC. Shelby has had so many companies producing their product that there will always be a ton of confusion.

[Bernica]

For some reason I get the feeling that there is an accountant (or CFO) at SAI telling the boys that they better figure out cash flow pretty damn quick!
"Cash is King, Volume is Vanity"