Pick your side

[amy B]

Originally Posted by computerworks

Amy...the tough point is... if you didn't 'cause' it...then you could have fixed it.

But, you chose not to.

Thats very pesumputious of you Ron. I I spoke to SAAc people when they posted the non renewal, I spoke to them again when they posted Neil's follow up. They wanted me to have Carroll call Rick first, that wasn't the right answer, SAAC Management should have called. Carroll spoke to others at SAAC, calls he made, the call needed to come from the top.

I could say the same to you, you are part of the team, why aren't you stopping the implosion of hate? The personal attacks, all the stuff sent to magazines....

I say the same to you.........


Amy

Amy

[computerworks]

First, you have to let the steam out, otherwise the boiler will blow. Then, when the pressure is relieved, you go in and fix the boiler.

What do you expect any entity to do when attacked? This will now have to be settled in a manner that nobody likes.

If it was "all about the cars," we wouldn't have the lawyers at the gate.

[saltytri]

Originally Posted by amy B

Thats very pesumputious of you Ron. I I spoke to SAAc people when they posted the non renewal, I spoke to them again when they posted Neil's follow up. They wanted me to have Carroll call Rick first, that wasn't the right answer, SAAC Management should have called. Carroll spoke to others at SAAC, calls he made, the call needed to come from the top.

Amy

I'm not really surprised by this but I do find it rather sad. We now learn that many people are getting dragged through this at great expense and personal cost because one or more proud and touchy players figure that they didn't get treated with due deference! How many times have I seen this happen in my professional life? Many, many dozens, to be sure. The result is that the Big Boys get the immense satisfaction of butting bellies like sixth-graders on the playground, encouraged by their sycophants (who may or may not include their lawyers). They usually come around to more reasonable and productive behavior at some point. Like, when they get tired of paying big attorney fee bills.

Is there anyone else out there who finds this whole mess an unseemly insult to the faithful Cobra community and to its traditions of cooperation, mutual assistance and respect of many different points of view?

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by saltytri

Is there anyone else out there who finds this whole mess an unseemly insult to the faithful Cobra community and to its traditions of cooperation, mutual assistance and respect of many different points of view?

........Yes.

[computerworks]

When it gets to this point...someone has to win.

It didn't have to be that way.

Right now, a few thousand fans lose.

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by computerworks

Right now, a few thousand fans lose.

There are definitely losses, but how extensive they are, is up to the individual. When this is all said and done, I'll still love taking my Cobra out and driving it. And when I am out driving my car, I really won't care who won or lost.

If people can keep that kind of mindset on the side, and not let this topic ruin the enjoyment of ownership of the cars, then the lost is not as great.

Of course, there are plenty of valid losses here (loss of respect for an icon, loss of rights, loss of car owner involvement, loss of a solid owners group, etc, etc), but we must never take it out on the cars. They haven't done anything to us, but bring us love and enjoyment.

[Randy Rosenberg]

Originally Posted by saltytri

Is there anyone else out there who finds this whole mess an unseemly insult to the faithful Cobra community and to its traditions of cooperation, mutual assistance and respect of many different points of view?

I find it very embarrassing to our hobby, our club and to CS. This squable will become the butt of jokes in the not too distant future.

[lovehamr]

Originally Posted by saltytri

Is there anyone else out there who finds this whole mess an unseemly insult to the faithful Cobra community and to its traditions of cooperation, mutual assistance and respect of many different points of view?

That's exactly how I feel about it. It's a stupid battle of egos.

Steve

[Chaplin]

Originally Posted by amy B

Thats very pesumputious of you Ron. I I spoke to SAAc people when they posted the non renewal, I spoke to them again when they posted Neil's follow up. They wanted me to have Carroll call Rick first, that wasn't the right answer, SAAC Management should have called. Carroll spoke to others at SAAC, calls he made, the call needed to come from the top.

I could say the same to you, you are part of the team, why aren't you stopping the implosion of hate? The personal attacks, all the stuff sent to magazines....

I say the same to you.........


Amy

Amy

Amy-
You have made a lot of good points on this site and a lot of people have benefited from your contributions, but this is the most off base- and I will even go as far to say pathetic- response I have ever seen. IMO, it is so off base I think you owe Ron an apology.

[amy B]

Originally Posted by Chaplin

Amy-
You have made a lot of good points on this site and a lot of people have benefited from your contributions, but this is the most off base- and I will even go as far to say pathetic- response I have ever seen. IMO, it is so off base I think you owe Ron an apology.

I am not sure why I owe Ron an appology, I was just pointing out that he put this on my shoulders alone and I didnt think that was right and I thought that was wrong, but if he was insulted, I am sorry, I have continually tried to take the high road thru this while I have been insulted and trashed, I do not want to take it to that level. So, Ron,my appologies.

Amy

On the post on the charity , nice swipe.....I am not sure of your question, the charity has the all the monies raised. Maybe you can ask the question more clearly without the swipe, I might get it.
A

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by amy B

I am not sure why I owe Ron an appology, I was just pointing out that he put this on my shoulders alone and I didnt think that was right and I thought that was wrong, but if he was insulted, I am sorry

No apologies necessary.. thanks, Mike...but I didn't take it as a slight.

I knew what Amy was referring to....

A, I am not laying it all on your shoulders, either. I just meant that it could have been short-circuited...and we all would be in a better place today.

...but it wasn't.

[amy B]

Originally Posted by computerworks

No apologies necessary.. thanks, Mike...but I didn't take it as a slight.

I knew what Amy was referring to....

A, I am not laying it all on your shoulders, either. I just meant that it could have been short-circuited...and we all would be in a better place today.

...but it wasn't.

Thanks Ron, The problem with emotional topics is that you can never quite convey what you want to say. and say it right. You and I have talked a lot, I am glad you understood, I would never slight you.. This is not easy for any side

Amy

[Chaplin]

Ok, we've kissed and made up. Maybe TS and SAAC can do the same now?

[RodKnock]

It boils down to two basic concepts. Time and money.

You must get the lawyers to leave the room. Remember the movie "Pretty Woman" with Richard Gere and Julia Roberts. There was a scene where Richard Gere character decides to build ships instead of buying companies, taking them apart and selling off the parts. Gere's character and the old man who owns the ship building company kick all the lawyers out of the room and strike a mutually beneficial deal all by themselves. Thenh they bring the lawyers back into the room to document the ship building deal.

Just do it.

[JWheaton]

Originally Posted by Chaplin

Ok, we've kissed and made up. Maybe TS and SAAC can do the same now?

You have a future as a mediator!