Pick your side

[Excaliber]

Dan, here is a link to Shelby Licensing, click on "Press Room" to see the only web related published portions of the license agreement. The actual and complete agreement cannot be publicly disclosed by contract.
Carroll Shelby Licensing

Again, this issue has little or nothing to do with Shelbys decision to not renew a license for SAAC. Thats his business, he can do that to SAAC or anybody else using his trademarks, etc. In fact the contract states EITHER side can within certain provisions terminate the contract at any time.

Pull the dam license then, start your own 'registry' if you want, put Shelby Chilli in there for all I care. Give Shelby back his 'stuff'? Oh wait, what exactly IS 'his stuff'? SAAC has far more documentation from other sources than that which Shelby provided. Like paper work they got directly from Ford Motor Company, is that also Shelbys? Of course not, nor is the registry itself.

At any rate, the license agreement doesn't mean squat as it concerns the reasons for Shelby destroying SAAC. Chase that dead end all you want, it's nothing more than an illusion to throw you off the track of whats really going on. Shelby wants to end the competition and totally control ALL aspects of a registry, "his way", the "Shelby Way" and screw you if you get in the way.

[Naumoff]

We had some Shelby chili last night. It is some good chili.

[speed220mph]

Tony: It's what follows the chili that'll give you an idea of what's transpiring with CS and his minions . . . good in the beginning, but looks what comes out in the end.

[Naumoff]

Originally Posted by speed220mph

Tony: It's what follows the chili that'll give you an idea of what's transpiring with CS and his minions . . . good in the beginning, but looks what comes out in the end.

Good analogy Tom. Unfortunately Shelby keeps overstepping the line of what is the right way to handle things.
He must not care what his enthusiast base thinks and probably feels if when he wins in the end that everyone will just come in line or that enough will come in line and the hell with the rest.

I came into this hobby with out the knowledge of all of what has been going on with Shelby and the hobby. I had been away from the car seen for 20 years. I love the Cobras and the Shelby Mustangs but wish all this B.S. would stop.

[REAL 1]

"Racer X": Feelings mutual.

I stated my position. I need to know more facts before I can really form a position on who is right or wrong here. Perhaps there is blame on both sides which is more times then not the case. Most here are forming opinions and taking sides without all the facts. If SAAC breached a licensing agreement or has refused to honor one then CSL may be within its legal rights.

However, for the hobby they should reach an agreement on a reasonable license agreement for SAAC as SAAC is and has been a very important part of the hobby and destroying it will hurt the hobby and enthusiasts.

To me its that simple. there now I'll get back on the fence again.

It will be what it will be and this silly thread will not make any difference. If you want to make a difference then write a letter to CSL and CS and tell him not to destroy SAAC through this litigation and write to SAAC and tell them they need to honor the terms of any reasonable licensing agreement which they should be wiling to agree to or start a petition maybe but this thread started by some angry, nasty, bitter old schmuck, and who is a major Shelby detractor won't accomplish anything.

If you are so concerned write a letter and/or start a petition. Let the warring parties know how you feel. Let them know if they destroy SAAC you will not join Team Shelby. Let them know that any licensing agreement must be followed and honored as its only fair to CSL and CS.

Will anyone follow my advice. Nah. You guys will just continuing wasting time blabbing away on this thread.

[Jamo]

You know, Evan, before you edited it...it wasn't a bad post at all and had some valid points.

Guys, keep this sucker free of personal attacks or it will be closed. I'd call it about even right now as far as personal barbs/zingers go...so, move forward with a discussion.

Thanks.

[imagine2frolic]

REAL 1,

By your last comment we must all assume you have already written your opinion to both parties?

I would think with Amy keeping an eye on the forum C$ is already aware of what is going on. Actually that both sides already have a good idea of what is going on. From what pops up now, and then it seems that C$ really doesn't care what is going on. At least not from most people that post here. It seems he is making the river murky by stirring the waters with what was once his pedastal.

Latest example is trying to keep the lawsuit quiet over the $450k Mustang. That deal kind of looks like the shell game at the carnival. I am sure eventually it will all be cleared, and some here will look like the were crying the sky is falling. Then again it just might be it is just another $hell game?

[REAL 1]

Mr. Frolic:

Don't assume. I haven't written anything to anyone. I may or may not. Haven't decided whether I'll take my own advice yet either. Moreover you post makes no sense. Say what????

Jamo: Ok, fair enough. I'll put my sling shot down. See..?

The tread about the new lawsuit was ridiculous and unnecessary. It was a transparent attempt at more mud slinging by the usual CS/SAI detractors. The thread was properly closed. There are two sides to most lawsuits, sometimes more. While it is started by a complaint there is also whats called an "Answer" which many times also contains a "Counterclaim", Crossclaims and certain legal defenses.

Just because one side says it doesn't make it fact. Thats what discovery and judges/juries are for.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

The tread about the new lawsuit was ridiculous and unnecessary. It was a transparent attempt at more mud slinging by the usual CS/SAI detractors. The thread was properly closed. There are two sides to most lawsuits, sometimes more. While it is started by a complaint there is also whats called an "Answer" which many times also contains a "Counterclaim", Crossclaims and certain legal defenses.

Just because one side says it doesn't make it fact. Thats what discovery and judges/juries are for.

I read the thread (BTW..."treads" are on tires) ...I also read the legal filing. It's pretty straight forward, and a matter of public record.

...and has nothing to do with this thread...which is about the premeditated attempt by CS to dismantle and destroy SAAC.

Let's keep it on topic.

[imagine2frolic]

REAL 1,

Thank you so much for adding Mr.

It is good you can admit to not taking your own advice. In the mean time you, I, and everyone else is doing just that....BLABBING. Isn't that what the CC was designed to do? Encourage a wee bit of BLABBING?

I also think my English is well enough to be understood. In short C$ is right now his own worst enemy. Sometimes in life you need to choose a side. Some feel this is not the case, but those are usually the ones afraid of making a mistake.

I personally believe that C$ is ruining his own image. I also believe SAAC needs to hang tough, and fight him off.

Nothing personal intended just remarking on your comments just as I do with others that make comments. Once again the whole intention of CC is to create dialogue amongst those that enjoy this particular car.

As Jamo pointed out. You often do make very good points. It just doesn't mean I have to agree with any single person at all times.

[Chaplin]

Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

REAL 1,

Thank you so much for adding Mr.

It is good you can admit to not taking your own advice. In the mean time you, I, and everyone else is doing just that....BLABBING. Isn't that what the CC was designed to do? Encourage a wee bit of BLABBING?

I also think my English is well enough to be understood. In short C$ is right now his own worst enemy. Sometimes in life you need to choose a side. Some feel this is not the case, but those are usually the ones afraid of making a mistake.

I personally believe that C$ is ruining his own image. I also believe SAAC needs to hang tough, and fight him off.

Nothing personal intended just remarking on your comments just as I do with others that make comments. Once again the whole intention of CC is to create dialogue amongst those that enjoy this particular car.

As Jamo pointed out. You often do make very good points. It just doesn't mean I have to agree with any single person at all times.

Let's be clear here and not overstate the facts: Jamo did not say that he often makes very good points- just this one particular time (but after the edit it is apparently lost forever).

[Jamo]

Imagine/Real

I closed that other thread with a specific and quite understandable comment about why.

If this thing gets personal or off topic again, I'm closing it. Period.

Final warning.

[VE4MM]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Amy,

This alone speaks for where the current mindset.

As for Carroll, again, I admire than man for what he accomplished in his distant past, I loath him for what he has become in the present. My thoughts are not just my own, but shared by thousands of others, both SAAC and non SAAC members alike. When this is finally put to rest one way or the other, the reputation of SAI and the the way Carroll is remember will be tainted forever. It's not only personal to many of us who grew up thinking Carroll was a saint, but learned later that he was anything but, but it's business as well. I know you'll come back with something along the lines of "the future of our company is at stake", but is it really someone else's fault, or the fault of your current legal advisory board which is leading you down a path to your own destruction. Legacies are a double edged sword, which one does Carroll want to be remembered by?


Bill S.

PS: Since you are indeed reading these threads as I expected, I hereby give you written notice by this date and time stamped post that all information submitted to SAAC by myself is being held in trust by them for their use only. I do not now, nor will I ever give S.A.I. or C.S.L. or any entity controlled by either or permission to use that information regardless of what the outcome of both lawsuits may be.

Hey Bill; can you email me the pdf of the most recent lawsuit?

Thanks!

Mike

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[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by VE4MM

Hey Bill; can you email me the pdf of the most recent lawsuit?

Thanks!

Mike

Feel free to PM me with an email address, but afterwards you must pass it on to the next person who asks for it

[JohnWorthing848]

There have been many comments made about what CS is "saying and doing", have there been any statements from CS personally other than the filing and the response to SAAC? Both were posted on the SAAC website to their credit.

As far as what he is doing or has done, there are of course well documented actions, but alot more of what seem to be opinions and stories. Like many of us out here I want to deal with factual information absent angry commentary and in many cases juvenille ranting.

Unless there are statements from CS that I have not seen he does seem to be a very wise man in this regard, he is following his attorneys advice. That being "SHUT UP"!

John

[Excaliber]

Carroll has stuck his foot in his mouth so deeply all ready there is nothing else to say. His actions speak louder than words, but even his words have made it very clear as to his intentions. Even his motives, "I'm tired of them." He has filed for control of the SAAC name. He wants full control of the only registry in the future and will destroy SAAC to gain said control. He has filed a law suit to make it happen.

There is little left to 'speculate' on, opinions as to WHY vary from person to person. I have my own view on that, it doesn't really matter "why". I'm 'angry', you got that right, doesn't really matter, what Shelby has done is 100% clear regardless of my opinions.

What additional 'factual information' could one possibly need to reach a conclusion? If you don't understand it now with the current public information available, there is little hope you will understand it any better later.

Let me put it this way: What part of "hostile take over" is difficult to grasp?

[xracerbob]

I go back as far as the Shelby Owners Association and still have some old newsletters from those days in the mid 70's. (Valuable collectors items for sure!). I saw when SAAC started and how they were responsible for enhancing the history, ownership experience and most certainly value of anything related to Shelby. Shelby has benefitted greatly from this indirectly by marketing his name on everything. Maybe it's SAAC who should sue Shelby for cashing in on all their hard work.

Yes I did lose some enthusiasm for SAAC when they seemed to turn more toward a commercial enterprise and haven't been a member in years. I probably will rejoin just for the entertainment value over the upcoming tussle. So mark me down as in the SAAC camp.

Ex owner of 68 GT350 00917, 67 GT350 01424, and 68 GT500KR forgot#

[Excaliber]

Interesting legal approach with the SAAC suit against Shelby. SAAC states the license agreement was secured through fraud. I can see that argument, and add to it the fact Shelby did nothing for 9 years or so as it concerns enforcement of said agreement. A case could be made for 'abandonment'. Hmmmm....

Shelby fraud? Nah, that wouldn't be possible. Right?

[REAL 1]

Mr. Mustang: You must be smoking something to characterize anything I have done as an "attack" on anyone. You and your band of bullies need to look in the mirror when throwing those stones my friend. Thats comical.



I've said all I need to say on this subject.

[Jamo]

Bill S. and Evan...you are both banned from this thread. If you post on it again, you will be taking some time off from the entire site.

I asked nicely...several times...for everyone to stop with the personal comments, and within a page you both chose to do it anyway.

I'm damn tired of timely and interesting threads getting closed because of a few.

Do NOT respond...either of you.

Back on topic.