Drag race - Kirkham 65 side-oiler vs Ferrari 458 italia

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by kobrabytes

NEVER set your self for failure.

Words to live by, thanks for the advice.

[Excaliber]

I don't see a valid reason to doubt Tommy's profile and posting at this point, no need to get all paranoid you guys.

I ran 14 ET with a STOCK 302 (air pump, catalytic converters and all emission controls as well), the Excalibur, longer and heavier than most other Cobras, nice car but SLOW. So the timing method for the Cobra in question here is certainly suspect.

Most ALL Cobra's are in the 12's, high or low, even with near stock small blocks and worthless traction. A slow Cobra, not common, would be low 13's (13.0-13.1). Getting into the 11's, however, certainly takes some serious horse power, decent traction and at least a few runs to get the hang of drag racing.

10's? Traction is a very serious issue at this level. Can do, even with moderate traction IF, your running some very serious horse power AND a light weight Cobra (like a Kirkham or an FFR). In that case the the last 1/8th mile is everything.

But 12's? Pfffftt, with one arm tied behind you back in a Cobra, piece of cake. It's a long haul from 12.9 to 12.0, by the way.

[*13*]

10 Pages in & No race date?

[Ibr8k4vetts]

Originally Posted by *13*

10 Pages in & No race date?

???? He said the 25th of Feb. if they can get the track.

[Dimis]

Simple - It will come down to whether the Kirkham is polished, brushed or painted Black!

We all know Black cobras are fastest (as per a previous thread), but even they are second only to the fastest of cobras of them all a Polished Kirkham.


Race date was loosely earmarked for the 25th Feb

[fastd]

I agree with Stentor.

I think Las Vegas Cobra guy knows what time he has to beat - the Ferrari is a known quantity. LV Cobra guy has the resources in order to prep his car the way he needs to so that he can run low 11s, high 10s. He also has a month or so to work on his drag racing skills...

TommyGold - is it cheating if he modifies his car between now and race day?

[ACademic]

Originally Posted by fastd

is it cheating if he modifies his car between now and race day?

You mean like adding a 200hp N2O direct port fogger system for 3rd and 4th gear?

[rodneym]

Another thought:
I know, I know, I got nothing better to do.

This 'race' was forged by egos.
But it's not between 'Las Vegas Guy' and 'DC' guy, or a Kirkham vs a Ferrari.
Because the Ferrari is only a few servos away from driving itself, the race is really 'Las Vegas Guy' vs a 458. And from what Tommygold has said, 'Las Vegas Guy' ain't much in time, experience, knowledge, etc.
A good race would be....ANYONE in the 458, and an experienced diver/owner with the Kirkham. In the right hands, a high powered Cobra is the hammer of the Gods. If you're no God, you're gonna drop it on your foot.

[tommygold]

I love it. (And he can't modify the engine.) -Tom

[Don]

Originally Posted by tommygold

I love it. (And he can't modify the engine.) -Tom

Tom.......are you using the standard factory chip for engine management ?

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by tommygold

I love it. (And he can't modify the engine.) -Tom

Hi Tom, what other rules of the bet do we not have answers to? Did the notion he can't modify his engine preclude any sort of modification by a third party?

Did the bet state "race the cars as is",we know about " no racing slicks", what else?

While you are doing a fine job of whipping up enthusiasm for the smackdown, it would be even more compelling if we knew all the terms of the bet, not the cash amount, that's between yourselves, but the "fine print" regarding what can, or cannot be done to the cars.

BTW, as you stated this event will be covered on film, will you make that available to everyone at no cost or is that part of the attraction, get everyone salivating and then we get to pony up some large gelt for the privilege of seeing the Cobra take you?

My congratulations, I looked up the Ferrari 458 Italia and that’s a mighty fine looking car and the stats are impressive, but my money is on the Cobra and I stand my ground, you took a sucker bet. 3:1, man, you got your work cut out.

Sheesh, if I am not mistaken one of the Arizona Club members smoked the 10-second mark and lived to talk about it.

Cheers, John, AKA, tin-man

[Excaliber]

So Tom says the Cobra can't modify the engine or runs slicks. Who's sounding paranoid now?

[undy]

A good set of drag radials will do whatever the slicks'll do. With a pre-heat and about 14psi in the rear tires I can yank both front tires with mine on a hole-shot.

[D-CEL]

undy,

We are on the same page! A set of 325-50 drag radials and a low rear gear
(3.73-4.10ish) and its over for the Italian car. Provided our boy hits all the gears.

JASON

[CobraEd]

They should do 2 out of 3 to allow for missed shifts etc.


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[Excaliber]

I'm running the TKO600 and the Steeda TriAx shifter. Never miss third, nail it hard everytime. The Steeda is a must do if your serious about third gear, drag or street.

...and no slack for missing a shift, no excuses.

[D-CEL]

I cant believe we dont know who this guy is and how the car is set up. How many Kirkhams owned by Venture cap guys are in Vegas?

Jason

[PLDRIVE]

It does not matter if this is a real race or not. I have enjoyed it!
Tom it would be helpful if your friend would post some info about his car? Surely U do not think his best time in practice was 15 seconds or worse, and that he has no idea of his gear ratio?. You said no slicks but nothing about a DOT drag radical. Did the agreement require him to be the driver? Who came up with the 1/4 mile, U are your friend? If he is driving then one would assume he is having someone teach him how to launch the car. Who came up with the 1 out of 3 win?

Tom this smells like classic set up, or your friend is a dumb ass . With that being said are there any Kirkham owners that can post some 1/4 times along with their car info and race experience?

[Don]

" Tom it would be helpful if your friend would post some info about his car? "

Tom:

In the multitude of posts, I may have missed, what are the engine specs along with gearing of the transmission and rear end ?

Kirkham chassis/serial number is ?

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by PLDRIVE

Tom this smells like classic set up, or your friend is a dumb ass . With that being said are there any Kirkham owners that can post some 1/4 times along with their car info and race experience?

PLDRIVE, my guess is Tom's Venture Capital friend is no dumb ass and knows exacly what he is doing. I'm with you though, seems like a classic set-up and somebody got their ego stroked and took the bet. C'mon guys, put yourself in Tom's position, he's just bought a Ferrari 458 Italia, its got some awsome stats, and the salesman probably blew smoke up his gazoo tellin' him his machine is faster than a speedin' bullet, has launch control and he can take anything on the road, so he ponied-up some heavy duty large and then his Venture Capital buddy, from VEGAS no less, hears about his purchase and calls him out, probably to the tune of, mine is bigger than yours and quicker than you can say no ******* way, the bets on.

Guys, this is all about boys and toys and bigger is better and y'all gotta admit we all took the bait. So Tommy bring it on and oh by the way what is your pals name?

Cheers, John, AKA, tin-man