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View Poll Results: Who will win the race - March 8, LV Speedway
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The 458 Italia is unbeatable, wins all 3
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The 458 Italia is beatable, and loses 1
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The 458 Italia is beatable, and loses 2 or 3
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The 458 Italia is beatable, but the Cobra's driver isn't good enough, so it loses all 3
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The Italia's driver messes up, so it loses at least 1
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02-04-2011, 02:01 PM
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The sickest Cobra is Morris'
Is it that Cobra?
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02-04-2011, 06:10 PM
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Has to be a KC engine. I'm thinking that the Cobra will take two out of three.
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02-04-2011, 06:55 PM
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There is a recent thread about the Shelby 'Stang running against a new genuine Shelby Cobra. The Cobra ran a 12.9 ET in the 1/4. So, if that's any indication of a Shelby built motor, we better HOPE KC built this one! 
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02-04-2011, 09:09 PM
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Assuming that there isn't a repeat of the suggestion that this is inexplicably some kind of lie or scam, which I find really insulting, then as soon as I know the details of the race I'll gladly post them and hope that folks show up, and will do my level best to get video up, whatever the result. It should be a ton of fun.
-Tom
There will always be doubters here, nothing you could do about it. The little battles and wars that go on here between members would astound you. Some guys leave pissed off never to return. When you stepped up to the plate, you gave many here a fresh reason to unite and root for the Cobra against the Ferrari (Cobra/Ferrari Wars Part.II). Good luck.
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02-04-2011, 09:36 PM
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Tommy, thanks for sharing. Should be an interesting race, good luck!
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02-04-2011, 09:51 PM
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The same Tommy Gold?
Goldstein was named one of the nation's leading attorneys under the age of 40 by the National Law Journal. American Lawyer cited him as one of the top 45 attorneys under 45, and he was labeled one of the leading appellate lawyers in Washington, D.C. by Legal Times. Furthermore, Washingtonian named him one of the "six attorneys to watch in the 21st century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Goldstein
Good luck to both of you and stay stafe.
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02-04-2011, 09:50 PM
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Tommy, if you red light any of the 3 runs trying to cut a decent light at the launch, do you lose the bet? If so, that would be a tough handicap. Don't let any of the doubters bother you. I posted a video of my speedometer on youtube doing a 30-120 burst, and 2 people accused me of taping my speedo going downhill. There will always be doubters. Cheers.
Thomas
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02-04-2011, 10:08 PM
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Check out Narraonline.com and select driver education and let the pictures roll. And yes... a red light is a loss.
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02-04-2011, 10:13 PM
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Tommy,
When this first started I thought you had this in the bag...Now I think you might be in trouble??? it has been a great thread and good luck!
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02-05-2011, 12:35 AM
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I finally had the chance to read every page of this thing. ENTERTAINING! DCel, you are right, that is the car, but I'm the one driving. The car does utilize a Shelby block and has dual Holley 4 bbl's made just for it. Fred Brady did the tuning and there are NO flat spots. I have run 1.59 60 foot times (Sunshine Dragway in Clearwater, FL) in other Cobras using billboards set at 15psi with a good burnout. No reason to doubt Thomas' story...at all. This IS going to be one hell of a race! By the way, I just signed up as well. Gonna doubt me too? Tommy, don't quit asking questions about the cars, its the only way to learn. You didn't obtain credentials to argue before the SC without asking questions did you? Twin Turbo, got a link for the vid? Would love to see it. Rawkkrawler, Tampa huh? Lunch sometime? Yes, Carroll still likes to see Ferrari's get smoked!
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02-05-2011, 06:33 AM
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The winner may then be thrown off the track and have to forfiet the last two races.
I wonder if Mr. Cobra already knows this.
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02-05-2011, 06:43 AM
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No replies/posts on Ferrari Chat from a 2-1 Thread by Tom mentioning the match race:
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Drag race - stock 458 Italia versus 65 Shelby
Hi all. I've booked a drag race against a friend who owns a reconditioned 65 Shelby Cobra. In a sense I hope it's Ferrari's revenge -- the Cobra was designed in part to defeat Ferrari. The race is discussed here (Drag race - Kirkham 65 side-oiler vs Ferrari 458 italia) on a Cobra forum, where I was trying to learn about what I am up against. I'm grateful for all thoughts and advice from the Ferrari side. Many thanks, Tom
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=312330
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02-05-2011, 07:19 AM
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The Ferrari guys must not want to stoop low enough to discuss drag racing....especially against a "kit car." 
By the way, it looks like Tom is an accomplished lawyer (and poker player); I hope he's not quite as successful with his entree into drag racing. 
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02-05-2011, 07:31 AM
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The Ferrari guys must not want to stoop low enough to discuss drag racing....
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With 9700 views and 227 replies on this thread, Tommy Boy might have learned one thing so far...
Cobra owners can be far better friends than Ferrari owners. 
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02-05-2011, 07:58 AM
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this is one of the best threads ever
I check this thread every couple of hours and have read it though several times, I have great respect for Tommy in that he came to a camp with a different vehicle to ask about our cars, taking a chance he would be spurned and chastised. I think he found that cobra owners are a good group and willing to help each other and outsiders as well, we have a few naysayers and doubters but that is what gives the world flavor. I am looking forward to the video and the results, I hope Tommy will post it for our enjoyment. He may even get a cobra to see what it is like and how much fun we have.
Keep Safe
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02-05-2011, 08:03 AM
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No one looks in the Other Racing sub-forum on Ferrari Chat. Tom should have posted it in the general Ferrari section till it built up steam and/or got moved. It is also the start of the F1 press season. All the mfg's are releasing their cars and so everyone is looking in the F1 racing forum. Send a note to Rob Lay or one of the moderators and see if they will move it.
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Can I be the starter ... please, please, please???!!! My money's on the Fazazz, but eagerly awaiting the outcome.
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02-05-2011, 07:26 AM
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Hi all. Thanks so much, and yeah that's me. If I do blow the start, I definitely lose. So that's a big issue, and my friend genuinely thinks that's his best shot. On his only day of practicing he didn't break 13.4 on his best run. On 3 of 7 runs he just missed 3d gear completely, and he had a hard time dealing w/ torque off the line. (He almost had a VERY hard time with a car that pulled onto the public road ahead of him, yikes.) I'm sure he'll get better and his car will get better. But my car is just so computerized that my skill is really limited to timing the start right, having the revs at the right place at the start, and flipping the lever at 9k rpm. I'm definitely capable of screwing it up, but I have big advantages there. The skill is really a question for him. One other thing I really do appreciate is the repeated helpful reminders to be safe. Life isn't about winning this race (though it's close :0 ). -Tom
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02-05-2011, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by tommygold
Hi all. Thanks so much, and yeah that's me. If I do blow the start, I definitely lose. So that's a big issue, and my friend genuinely thinks that's his best shot. On his only day of practicing he didn't break 13.4 on his best run. On 3 of 7 runs he just missed 3d gear completely, and he had a hard time dealing w/ torque off the line. (He almost had a VERY hard time with a car that pulled onto the public road ahead of him, yikes.) I'm sure he'll get better and his car will get better. But my car is just so computerized that my skill is really limited to timing the start right, having the revs at the right place at the start, and flipping the lever at 9k rpm. I'm definitely capable of screwing it up, but I have big advantages there. The skill is really a question for him. One other thing I really do appreciate is the repeated helpful reminders to be safe. Life isn't about winning this race (though it's close :0 ). -Tom
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Sounds like he needs a proxy driver. At 13.4 as a best - that won't even make an interesting race from what I saw of the Ferrari on that Top Gear video.
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