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08-18-2013, 05:32 PM
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OnyxRider, I keep it simple, if the car wasn't built between '62 and '67 it's a copy. All this banter about perceived worth is amusing, nothing more than "my forgery is better than yours", that is the axe being ground here.
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08-18-2013, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AL427SBF
OnyxRider, I keep it simple, if the car wasn't built between '62 and '67 it's a copy. All this banter about perceived worth is amusing, nothing more than "my forgery is better than yours", that is the axe being ground here.
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Yeah I have learned now. You can understand when I read Cobra what I mean.
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08-18-2013, 08:10 PM
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Yes, of course Evan. Judges are always careless when choosing words in a judgement. After all they are only setting precedence and interpreting federal law. So one is free to assume which words a judge chose carefully and which he really meant.
Hang on to the registry Even. Hang on for dear life.
[edit] I don't care about any of this stuff. I find it very entertaining that you spend so much time defending your position. I wonder why it is so important to you. What is so important about this recognition of the definition of the car? It seems to be a tremendous amount of energy spent on such an insignificant topic.
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08-18-2013, 08:59 PM
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I don't see it as harsh, truth is, we who love these style cars will ( die out ) someday. And only those who've got lots of money and nothing more to do with it will own the cars ( Cobras ) built in the 60's. Unless you may be one of the lucky ones that your dad may have passed it down.
Interest in car style changes as years go by for people I think. As for me, I couldn't give a fats rats behind about anything from the 40's or before. And will only take a second look at a T-bird, or Vett from the 50's. Now,, 60's through early 70's becomes a different story. And today, ask a teen what their dream car would be to own, even if mom and dad are buying it for them. Think the Cobra would be one of their top 5 picks?
Back to the topic,, alum. body Shelby cont. Going to check on my fiberglass (replica) Cobra now. Thinking it may not look close enough to even be called that.
To dust we shall return.
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08-18-2013, 09:07 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby American CSX 8000 Slab Side series, 289 High Pro , Eight Stack EFI system ,TKO500
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Originally Posted by tcrist
Yea, but you still end up with a Kirkham and a Kirkham is a lot less.
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Yep, but it's not a Shelby
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08-18-2013, 09:20 PM
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On bag #5. I am starting to feel a bit full.
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08-18-2013, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul F
Hang on to the registry Even. Hang on for dear life.
[edit] I don't care about any of this stuff. I find it very entertaining that you spend so much time defending your position. I wonder why it is so important to you. What is so important about this recognition of the definition of the car? It seems to be a tremendous amount of energy spent on such an insignificant topic.
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He has been doing this over and over again over many years. He has issues!
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08-19-2013, 08:34 AM
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Meh.
REAL1 isn't a judge. Maybe he slept in a Holiday Inn last night. And the night before, too.
Sigmund Freud would find definition for REAL1's perspectives. He would find them for ours, too. How they would be received by either party is speculation.
But I'm betting that one party would be more aggrieved than the other
Investments, opinions, perspectives come and go. So does life.
Just ask ole CS....when you get the opportunity.
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08-19-2013, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1
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Bretewing: Any time you want give away and get rid of all that signed Shelby "crap" just PM me and I'll pay the shipping to my home. Glad to help.
While you may not see the value in a CSX rolling stock at $160k I'm willing to be there are those that will. When every agrees with you the prices will drop. When there are people that see the value and buy the price will remain and increase until that plateau is reached at any point in time which is always subject to change as markets do either up or down.
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Some the crap is still attached to vehicles.
The post was "IMHO", which was exactly that. My realitive position of value may differ from others but I qualify it with the rational of like constructed vehicles, Kirkham vs CSX. The difference in price point being only the name attached to the title.
Again, IMHO ~$90k for a name does not equate to value.
Best, Bret.  
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08-19-2013, 10:00 AM
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I have Cobra friends that have 80K plus in their home built Cobras..........It is their creation. 700HP, huge Wilwoods,etc.The process of constructing one to their specific requirements is more important than the finished product. I give them and their Cobras the utmost respect. My CSX roller came with SA's idea of what shocks, brakes, steering,fuel cell were the best ?? not mine. My roller price was competitive for the time. Today I would purchase a Kirkham ( though an AL body is not my first chose ). However having the chance to meet McCluskey would be a plus for AL. Hillbank has a Superformance for $92K. I do not have that much in my car. The auction statement is correct in the fact that there are many bidders who do not do their research.........That FFR was was not close to the build quality of the Superformance..........Cheers
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08-19-2013, 10:40 AM
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Robo signing is now taking place, duly authorized by the estate of C.S. 
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Yep, I believe you and I discussed this over beer................Gary Patterson told me the electronic version of the signature will not have Carroll's 2 // marks through the horizontal bar under his signature.
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08-19-2013, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bret a ewing
Yep, I believe you and I discussed this over beer................Gary Patterson told me the electronic version of the signature will not have Carroll's 2 // marks through the horizontal bar under his signature.
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...an easy fix. 
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08-19-2013, 11:01 AM
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Not if there is 3............
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08-19-2013, 11:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul F
Yes, of course Evan. Judges are always careless when choosing words in a judgement. After all they are only setting precedence and interpreting federal law. So one is free to assume which words a judge chose carefully and which he really meant.
Hang on to the registry Even. Hang on for dear life.
[edit] I don't care about any of this stuff. I find it very entertaining that you spend so much time defending your position. I wonder why it is so important to you. What is so important about this recognition of the definition of the car? It seems to be a tremendous amount of energy spent on such an insignificant topic.
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Hey Paul: It's important since this is a public forum and I would think many come here to read about these cars for various reasons. I think it is important that people understand how the official World Registry defines the new Cobras/Shelbys. No one is operating under the illusion that they are "REAL" Cobras so as to confuse them or perpetrate them as originals. I get it and I get the point most are making her.
My point is to simply point out that the current generation of Cobras are authentic Cobras just not the original ones and officially recognized as so. This way when people here read the efforts to demean the Continuation series they will see that factually the detractors are incorrect and there is published official support for the recognition of the current crop of Cobras.
No one is trying to demean the originals. They are clearly the brass ring and rightfully so.
Its just that a little respect would be nice.
I'm not hanging on to the Registry for dear life. Its just there as the leading authority and undercuts all the demeaning and undercutting statements here and those coming to this forum should know that.
BTW my dad was a Federal Judge. Does that count?? 
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08-19-2013, 11:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1
BTW my dad was a Federal Judge. Does that count?? 
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Only if he was an Article III judge. 
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08-19-2013, 11:30 AM
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Not if there is 3............
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True. ...Actually, I heard that the dead-sig would have three hash marks.
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08-19-2013, 11:33 AM
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True. ...Actually, I heard that the dead-sig would have three hash marks.
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Symbolic of one attempting to claw one's self out of a grave....
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08-19-2013, 12:32 PM
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...an easy fix. 
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Funny  
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08-19-2013, 12:36 PM
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Wow - prices are going up?!? Guess I ought to do something with that pile of tin taking up space in the back of my shop...

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08-19-2013, 12:39 PM
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Quote:
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True. ...Actually, I heard that the dead-sig would have three hash marks.
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Yep, we probably heard it from the same Gary @ SAAC 37  .
Otherwise the common "Digitally Signed By ......." is used.
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