Mystery solved. Shelby Trust to sell Real Cobras

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

go back to MrMustang quote on page 1 of this thread, "greed makes good people do..."

Please don't quote him. His head is big enough already.

Anyway, what the heck does he know. He buys and sells Catterhams and Exocets, or whatever the heck they're called. Butt-Ugliest cars in the world.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Mr. Kirkham calls these 'cars' a work of art? are they? most art and art historians judge art by artists and originality, one offs. Picasso painted himself. he didn't hire a team to mix his paints or paint for him.


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That's a pretty stupid statement. Then basically no car ever made would be considered art.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Why does Jamo always derail threads with watch talk? If there isn't a more superfluous item known to mankind then I don't know what it is.

LMAO...cuz sometimes it's easier to cause folks to take a breather by jumping the subject...and I happen to like watches.

...and I like making Evan admit he has feminine wrists.

[Bernica]

I will stick with my exquisite Timex Expedition Indiglo. It is an original edition and admired by no one, however I hear rumors of a continuation which will upset all the Timex folks!
I do have a few of the nice ones but find that they are just not for me..

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Bernica

I will stick with my exquisite Timex Expedition Indiglo. It is an original edition and admired by no one, however I hear rumors of a continuation which will upset all the Timex folks!
I do have a few of the nice ones but find that they are just not for me..

Berni: Actually, no lie....my Seiko keeps better time than my Rolex's.

But it doesn't matter to me cause I'm never on time anyway.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Bernica

I will stick with my exquisite Timex Expedition Indiglo. It is an original edition and admired by no one, however I hear rumors of a continuation which will upset all the Timex folks!
I do have a few of the nice ones but find that they are just not for me..

Mine is a timex Ironman. Wonderful river watch. 19.95 at Walmart and cheaper to buy a new one every 3 or 4 years when the face gets scratched or the battery runs out

[Bernica]

It's good to be King!

[twobjshelbys]

Shelby had multiple sources for csx4000 cars for a long time until HST went out of business.

[REAL 1]

Rod: Why do you keep referring to these new Shelby's as Resurrection Cobras? Is that what they are calling them?

I thought they are calling them "Completion" or "Competition" Cobras?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Rod: Why do you keep referring to these new Shelby's as Resurrection Cobras? Is that what they are calling them?

I thought they are calling them "Completion" or "Competition" Cobras?

The 3000 series, whether, the original 1960's 3000 series, the 1990's Completion Series or this new 2015 "Competition Series", the darn things keep coming back to life or being resurrected.

Just humor. All in good fun.

[fordracing65]

Would you rather have one by Drew or one by Kirkham, add that to the story...

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

Would you rather have one by Drew or one by Kirkham, add that to the story...

How about something that is certified as engineered and built directly by Shelby American in their own shop like the old days? Just thinking that if this is such an important car they would have brought everyone to their place and not farmed it all out.
Where is Phil Remington when we need him? (RIP)

[Trevor Legate]

I'm still trying to figure out how anyone can build seriously expensive replicas of circa 40+ cars that never existed? That takes smoke and a lot of mirrors.

One day Ferrari will catch on and build replicas of the other 34 1964 GTOs that they didn't get around to building as nobody bothered to order them. But had they had the orders - they would have made them. So best make 'em now, it's never too late (obviously). Around $20million a pop should do the trick......

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by Trevor Legate

I'm still trying to figure out how anyone can build seriously expensive replicas of circa 40+ cars that never existed? That takes smoke and a lot of mirrors.

One day Ferrari will catch on and build replicas of the other 34 1964 GTOs that they didn't get around to building as nobody bothered to order them. But had they had the orders - they would have made them. So best make 'em now, it's never too late (obviously). Around $20million a pop should do the trick......

But I suspect they would build them in their own shop. To me, that makes a difference!

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Trevor Legate

Around $20million a pop should do the trick......

Ferrari has never been about the money, to me anyway. They've always limited their production to protect the brand's reputation. Ferrari had previously capped production at 7,000 cars per year, but recently has increased the production cap to 10,000.

$20 Million a pop? That would be a "bargain."

Shelby is about survival at this point. They've got to figure out something to do with a 50-year old car, so they try to keep creating buzz and excitement, by exploiting their brand and customers.

Let's see there's the Terlingua Edition, Bill Elliott Edition, 40th and 50th Anniversary Editions, FAM Edition, Completion Series Edition, Competiton Series Edition, and next year it's the Gumball Rally Edition.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

For a cool 1/2 million bucks you get a car that CAN NOT EVER be legally licensed and/or driven on any public road IN ALL 50 STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dats expensive art!!!!!!

david

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by DAVID GAGNARD

For a cool 1/2 million bucks you get a car that CAN NOT EVER be legally licensed and/or driven on any public road IN ALL 50 STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dats expensive art!!!!!!

david

Editing the original to try to make it clearer:

It turns out that is likely not true. It is true 100% in CA . The MSO contains no restrictions. When I asked about it it was more of a free form discussion than an answer, but the best summary I can give is that CA was an absolute NO but there was no claim of an absolute YES in other places.

So to follow the progressions, other jurisdictions may not have the restriction that CA places on the power train/vehicle assembly. Others besides CA do as well. However, said vehicle will also likely never be licensable in those places that do place restrictions. That was as far as I went since I could sense it was sensitive topic. I'll wager with pretty high odds that vehicles will find their way on the streets in some places. I can pretty much guess at places I wouldn't even try and I can also guess a few places where you might have a shot. But if you want a guarantee, buy a muffler.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

It turns out that is likely not true. It is true 100% in CA. Other jurisdictions may not have the restriction that CA places on the power train/vehicle assembly. Others besides CA do as well. However, said vehicle will also likely never be licensable in those places that do place restrictions. That was as far as we could go. There are NO stated restrictions on the MSO. I'll wager with pretty high odds that vehicles will find their way on the streets.

Then somehow, they'll have to navigate around the Federal laws regarding the sales of completed cars that do not meet 2015 emission and safety standards. I can't wait to see that and I sure hope the first owner to register his or her Resurrection Cobra will it post it here.

Of course, we're just speculating. The press release states they cannot be registered for street use. Let's see what happens. I'm sure the authorities will be watching closely.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Editing the original to try to make it clearer:

It turns out that is likely not true. It is true 100% in CA . The MSO contains no restrictions. When I asked about it it was more of a free form discussion than an answer, but the best summary I can give is that CA was an absolute NO but there was no claim of an absolute YES in other places.

So to follow the progressions, other jurisdictions may not have the restriction that CA places on the power train/vehicle assembly. Others besides CA do as well. However, said vehicle will also likely never be licensable in those places that do place restrictions. That was as far as I went since I could sense it was sensitive topic. I'll wager with pretty high odds that vehicles will find their way on the streets in some places. I can pretty much guess at places I wouldn't even try and I can also guess a few places where you might have a shot. But if you want a guarantee, buy a muffler.

The Shelby/Trust/Denbeste/Kirkham and Shelby/Trust/Denbeste/Serb operation is NOT for a "for private use" only type operation. They plan to build and sell 30-40 cars. That's a real manufacturing operation with Shelby, DenBeste, Kirkham and Serb being for-profit operations. And just because a non-profit trust happens to be the seller, that's not going to change the character of this manufacturing operation. Shelby/Trust/Denbeste/Kirkham/Serb is NOT the same thing as me, private Schmoe individual, hiring and contracting with an installer, say like Hall Fabrication. I chose Hall Fab in Benicia. ME. I purchased the engine and trans. Shelby/Trust/DenBeste are completely directing the purchasing and installation of the car and materials. The ultimate buyer has no say about the builder/installer. The buyer's only say is the options he or she wants. That sounds like Ford, Chevy and Chrysler to me.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Editing the original to try to make it clearer:

It turns out that is likely not true. It is true 100% in CA . The MSO contains no restrictions. When I asked about it it was more of a free form discussion than an answer, but the best summary I can give is that CA was an absolute NO but there was no claim of an absolute YES in other places.

So to follow the progressions, other jurisdictions may not have the restriction that CA places on the power train/vehicle assembly. Others besides CA do as well. However, said vehicle will also likely never be licensable in those places that do place restrictions. That was as far as I went since I could sense it was sensitive topic. I'll wager with pretty high odds that vehicles will find their way on the streets in some places. I can pretty much guess at places I wouldn't even try and I can also guess a few places where you might have a shot. But if you want a guarantee, buy a muffler.

Then somehow, they'll have to navigate around the Federal laws regarding the sales of completed cars that do not meet 2015 emission and safety standards. I can't wait to see that and I sure hope the first owner to register his or her Resurrection Cobra will it post it here.

Sorry to disagree with you on this one, but it is true,none of these cars will meet any kind of federal mandates on crash worthiness and emissions,so therefore they can not legally be licensed and driven on the road,yes,in all 50 states!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will some slip thru the cracks at a local DMV office, yes likely,would I want to be caught driving one on the road,heck no.......

You can bet next months rent,all 50 states will be sent some kind of "memo" and if/when someone tries to license one, a red flag will appear on a computer screen somewhere....

David