Superformance evolution by chassis number

[SPF604]

Matt, Hope you found the information you needed and got some non-biased input from owners on this forum. Myself, I've owned my Superformance since 1999 and have has no manufacturing related quality issues. Back then, I visited many of the facilities reproducing Cobras and chose Superformance. Ultimately, it's your decision and yours alone! If you need feed back on a car that's been driven on long distance road trips, track days and just use for riding around, I will be glad to help you out.

Bill A.

[SMOKNAC]

I bought SPF #2966, 5 months later I'm still dealing with paint problems from day 1. I had to hire a lawyer to write a letter to Dynamic West before they took action. I just got my car back; they took it to LA to be fixed. What a joke!!! There were 3 locations that needed to be fixed. (1) Scratch on rear fender, (2) palm print in clear on front left fender, (3) palm print on dash passenger side of dash. Car was returned to me and they didn’t fix the dash, 6 weeks later. And to top it off, Superformane did a spot job on the paint. Customer service is the worst!! I’m writing about just 1 problem I’ve had, believe me, I could write a book on all the problems I’ve had with my MK111 Superformance
Do NOT buy a new SPF, You’ll wish you never did!! One of the biggest mistakes I ever made!!

[SP01715]

I have owned 1715 for a few years, and I have had no problems with the car at all. I did crack a windshield (not the fault of the car) and Lance (ceo of SPF and owner of Hillbank Motors) went out of his way in helping me replace it. The winshield had to be fitted, and Lance had his guys do this for only the cost of the windshield. My experience with the car and dealer support have been great.

[Sailfish]

I've owned SPF #2144 for just over two years. Since purchasing it new I've accumulated almost 9000 miles. I experienced the usual "teething" issues (i.e. minor oil leak, thermostat housing leak, door out of adjustment, etc.) but they weren't manufacturing related and have all been resolved. The car has performed beyond my expectations with no issues. The paint, bodywork, and overall construction are as good today as when I first took delivery. I'm completely satisfied with the car and wouldn't hesitate to recommend, or buy, another.

[Got the Bug]

Originally Posted by SMOKNAC

I bought SPF #2966, 5 months later I'm still dealing with paint problems from day 1. I had to hire a lawyer to write a letter to Dynamic West before they took action. I just got my car back; they took it to LA to be fixed. What a joke!!! There were 3 locations that needed to be fixed. (1) Scratch on rear fender, (2) palm print in clear on front left fender, (3) palm print on dash passenger side of dash. Car was returned to me and they didn’t fix the dash, 6 weeks later. And to top it off, Superformane did a spot job on the paint. Customer service is the worst!! I’m writing about just 1 problem I’ve had, believe me, I could write a book on all the problems I’ve had with my MK111 Superformance
Do NOT buy a new SPF, You’ll wish you never did!! One of the biggest mistakes I ever made!!

Did you find the paint flaws and the palm print on the dash after you took delivery of your car? My car was just off the boat (hadn't sat on a showroom floor) and I went over it with a fine tooth comb before taking delivery. I noted a paint flaw (scratch under the clear coat), but negotiated a deal and decided not to fix it.

I know a lot of people (including me) have had a great experience dealing with Superformance and have been impressed with the quality. Hopefully they can resolve the issues to your satisfaction and you can start enjoying your car.

[madmaxx]

Got the bug has the right idea, regardless who make you buy, new or used, go over the car in detail. I am not talking from 5 feet back, I am talking look at every edge, door, hood, trunk gaps, if possible get under a flourecent light and look for flaws in the clear or color. Paint and body are the most difficult and risky to repair, mechanical items can be a pain but are just swap outs.

I have a SPF and love it and YES YOU WILL HAVE teething problems the first year, If you can find a used one of your liking you are ahead as far as teething issues. Depends if the owner like to tailgate dump trucks etc.

[RedBarchetta]

Originally Posted by madmaxx

...if possible get under a flourecent light and look for flaws in the clear or color.

Flame suit on.

I'd be curious to learn just how many Ferrari, Lambo, Bugatti, et al owners have used this procedure when they have handed over suitcases of dead presidents to buy their factory built cars? I don't even hear of the hard core 'Vette guys doing this to ZR-1s and Z06s at the local Chevy dealer either.

If I was selling ANY of these painted turn-key-minus cars new (SPF, BDR, ERA, Hurricane, etc.) and a customer whipped out a flourescent (or Xenon-bulbed detail) light prior to taking delivery, I'd hand him back his deposit and tell him to not let the door hit him in the azz on the way out.

-Dean

[madmaxx]

Your right flaws in the paint and clear create character and individuality, just like a real diamond. LOL!!!

Originally Posted by RedBarchetta

Flame suit on.

I'd be curious to learn just how many Ferrari, Lambo, Bugatti, et al owners have used this procedure when they have handed over suitcases of dead presidents to buy their factory built cars? I don't even hear of the hard core 'Vette guys doing this to ZR-1s and Z06s at the local Chevy dealer either.

If I was selling ANY of these painted turn-key-minus cars new (SPF, BDR, ERA, Hurricane, etc.) and a customer whipped out a flourescent (or Xenon-bulbed detail) light prior to taking delivery, I'd hand him back his deposit and tell him to not let the door hit him in the azz on the way out.

-Dean

[RedBarchetta]

Originally Posted by madmaxx

Your right flaws in the paint and clear create character and individuality, just like a real diamond. LOL!!!

You don't drive diamonds. If you're buying a trailer queen and plan to truck the car from show to show, then I suppose a "flawless diamond" finish will be a pre-requisite.

The factory paint on many of these cars (pick your brand) are actually quite stellar. Most every SPF owner that I know who took delivery of a car with flaws, and who wasn't a complete azz about it, had the dealer take care of them au gratis. Solids are usually easier to blend/match than metallics, so a buyer should take that into consideration whether they plan to buy a turn-key-minus or have their own project painted by a pro.

Even the most perfect paint job will start to show war wounds with a little driving...it's inevitable.

-Dean

[rokndad]

Originally Posted by RedBarchetta

You don't drive diamonds. If you're buying a trailer queen and plan to truck the car from show to show, then I suppose a "flawless diamond" finish will be a pre-requisite.

The factory paint on many of these cars (pick your brand) are actually quite stellar. Most every SPF owner that I know who took delivery of a car with flaws, and who wasn't a complete azz about it, had the dealer take care of them au gratis. Solids are usually easier to blend/match than metallics, so a buyer should take that into consideration whether they plan to buy a turn-key-minus or have their own project painted by a pro.

Even the most perfect paint job will start to show war wounds with a little driving...it's inevitable.

-Dean

mattpatt,

If you ever want to see what a an absolutely gorgeous SPF factory paint job looks like, go to Dean's house and see his red/wht stripe Cobra. The glossiest non-custom paint I've ever seen. But Dean uses lots of microfibre cloths and some special spray stuff (forgot the name Dean) that really works. Let us know where you are and perhaps you can get together with one or more current SPF owners and they can go over the plusses and minusses of their cars with you. I don't care what kind of car you buy, there will always be one little thing that may not be exactly to your liking. But these are sports cars that get stuff thrown on them, or they kick up the stuff themselves.

At first, I used touch up paint to fix little stone chips and things like that, but after almost 8,000 miles, I started liking the road rash look and quit touching up. Still clean up the topside, but l'm leaving the lower bruises as is. Personal preference.

Welcome to the site, it's usually a very friendly place full of good information and great people to share ideas with. I have made friends with a lot of guys from CC. You just have to filter out some of the "no purpose at all" remarks that a very few members post on the forum. They think it's funny, while most of us think it's ridiculous. Best wishes on your quest for the right car.

[madmaxx]

If owners are accepting "flaws" in a new car there is not execuse. Let the flames begin. Let us not forget most have well over $50K in a new car. If you can paint one panel right the whole car should be right. I disagree most spf owners I have spoken too and seen there cars had no flaws in the paint. Dont try to make yourself feel better and say everyone has flaws in the paint because most dont.

I am sure the flames will come but I honestly feel you are better buying used than new, bugs are sorted, you test drive the vehicle, you touch the vehicle, very little unknows. You order new damage can occur in the shipping container, the installer, etc.

Originally Posted by RedBarchetta

You don't drive diamonds. If you're buying a trailer queen and plan to truck the car from show to show, then I suppose a "flawless diamond" finish will be a pre-requisite.

The factory paint on many of these cars (pick your brand) are actually quite stellar. Most every SPF owner that I know who took delivery of a car with flaws, and who wasn't a complete azz about it, had the dealer take care of them au gratis. Solids are usually easier to blend/match than metallics, so a buyer should take that into consideration whether they plan to buy a turn-key-minus or have their own project painted by a pro.

Even the most perfect paint job will start to show war wounds with a little driving...it's inevitable.

-Dean

[powerslide]

Mattpatt-welcome. I am glad you're performing good due diligence...take your time...do your research...make sure all your questions are answered to your satisfaction before you make your purchase decision. Regardless of the brand, have a third party inspection performed by a qualified technician, someone who is looking out for your best interests. Even they may not catch everything, but at least you'll know what you are buying. Its very hard to find a 100 point car, but you know what your tolerance level is regarding any deficiencies a car may have. I think most of us that have purchased a used Cobra, know that they probably are going to require some attention. Superformance happened to be the "right" car for me, hopefully it will be for you, too. Good luck, and again, welcome to the club!

[WardL]

Matt,

I'm looking for the right SF as well. I understand if it is 1211 or greater, you will get all the significant improvements. If you found anything off-line about this subject, please let me know. The other question, seems like there are two kinds of sellers out there. One selling for about the cost of a new one and the other with an extra $20k on the price. What's the difference?

[jeffgrice]

Originally Posted by WardL

Matt,

I'm looking for the right SF as well. I understand if it is 1211 or greater, you will get all the significant improvements. If you found anything off-line about this subject, please let me know. The other question, seems like there are two kinds of sellers out there. One selling for about the cost of a new one and the other with an extra $20k on the price. What's the difference?

Hey Wardl.....

Check your private messages....sent you a lead on a car.

Jeff

[madmaxx]

If you can find used in the same condition as new, no rock chips, wear or tear, then yes the used is worth more than new for the following reasons.
1) you can see, touch and drive, previous owner took all the shipping and installation risk
2) the bugs have been sorted, it was at his inconvience to get it back to the installer, personnal mechanic or himself. The original owner time is not free
3) the car is titled so that hurdle has been crossed, you simple transfer the title and you are good to go.
4) if local you do not pay shipping etc,
5) you dont get nickel and dimed after the fact when the engine and trans are getting installed and the comment, "well it will work with that but we recommend this, and it is only $$$$$ more.

Originally Posted by WardL

Matt,

I'm looking for the right SF as well. I understand if it is 1211 or greater, you will get all the significant improvements. If you found anything off-line about this subject, please let me know. The other question, seems like there are two kinds of sellers out there. One selling for about the cost of a new one and the other with an extra $20k on the price. What's the difference?

[RedBarchetta]

Originally Posted by WardL

I understand if it is 1211 or greater, you will get all the significant improvements.

Ward, it's actually even earlier than that. There were four (4) major enhancements that were added starting in the early/mid 6xx numbering sequence:

1. Dropped footboxes
2. Wilwood disc brakes (all four corners)
3. Chrome roll bar
4. Footwell fresh-air vents with manual valves

The 6xx sequence cars were mostly built in the 1999 timeframe. My #747 was built in Feb/Mar of 2000 for comparison and has all of the above enhancements as stock.

Hope this helps,

-Dean

[SP01715]

I agree. I was going to buy new (actually started with the intent to buy a CSX) and had filled out all the paper work to order it. While I was at the dealer my car came in on consignment with 2500 miles on it. I went for a ride in the car, spent a couple hours looking it over and made an offer on it. The car had (still does not) no rock chips, scratches or any other flaws I could find. I am very happy that I bought this car instead of new, but you have to find the right one. Several that I looked at had rock chips, dirty motors etc...

[Blas]

If a car is driven to any extent by its owner, you will get them... Rock chips are a fact of life...Like death and taxes…The secret is to occasionally touch them up...The first few hurt the most. Depending on the cars color touch-ups can almost disappear if done correctly. Regarding flaws on new cars, I don't think any are flawless. But to what extent you are willing to except an imperfection varies from person to person. Dealers know you are hot-to-trot to take the car home. Perhaps you should not accept the car till the problems are corrected. Bubbles in the paint, drips, scratches, areas not buffed out properly…unacceptable at delivery, but usually repairable, especially before taking final delivery. But expecting truly “flawless” is really unrealistic. MAYBE 99.9% flawless on a million dollar Bentley...and only if you took delivery at the factory, and up until you pulled on the street to leave the factory…They are painted, assembled and shipped by humans.

[purple panther]

superformance serial number k1398am1463. what year was this chassis produced? a seller says the car is a 2002 but it doesnt have a glove box. I thought the am number makes this an early car? 1998? anybody thanks

[madmaxx]

I agree with Blas but there is a difference between flawless, Excellent, good and poor. Fingerprints in the clear are poor, scratch is poor. A tiny fish eye in the clear is good to excellent. There is a difference in catagories between flawless and bad. Anything less than strong good to excellent should be rejected on a new chassis.

Anything can be repaired with RISK, will the shade match, the gloss, damage incurred during the repair etc. I have seen many excellent spf paint jobs and have seen excellent paint jobs with one very bad area. That what irks me when the whole car is excellent but then there is just one panel that somehow was missed.

Originally Posted by Blas

If a car is driven to any extent by its owner, you will get them... Rock chips are a fact of life...Like death and taxes…The secret is to occasionally touch them up...The first few hurt the most. Depending on the cars color touch-ups can almost disappear if done correctly. Regarding flaws on new cars, I don't think any are flawless. But to what extent you are willing to except an imperfection varies from person to person. Dealers know you are hot-to-trot to take the car home. Perhaps you should not accept the car till the problems are corrected. Bubbles in the paint, drips, scratches, areas not buffed out properly…unacceptable at delivery, but usually repairable, especially before taking final delivery. But expecting truly “flawless” is really unrealistic. MAYBE 99.9% flawless on a million dollar Bentley...and only if you took delivery at the factory, and up until you pulled on the street to leave the factory…They are painted, assembled and shipped by humans.