How do you handle the questions?

[Al G]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

No, I got it the first time $$ CHA-CHING! They include in the registry "virtually all high performance Ford-powered cars including Tigers, Mangustas and Panteras, Boss 302, 351 and 429 Mustangs, AC Mk IVs, Cobra 4000s, Mustangs of every year including the latest generation of Shelby GTs and GT500s, Griffiths, Italias, Galaxies, Fairlanes, Comets and yes—even Cobra kit cars".

What a joke

No, you don't get it. All those cars are not included in the SAAC registry.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

How a good idea in the beginning got totally corrupted by membership, money and greed. Translation provided free of charge in bold red, more paying members equals more money, pretty obvious why the World Registry is such a train wreck today.

SAAC was originally set up to cater to the cars Carroll Shelby created and raced — Cobras, GT350s, GT500s and Ford GTs — but since its inception the club has broadened its parameters to accept virtually all high performance Ford-powered cars including Tigers, Mangustas and Panteras, Boss 302, 351 and 429 Mustangs, AC Mk IVs, Cobra 4000s, Mustangs of every year including the latest generation of Shelby GTs and GT500s, Griffiths, Italias, Galaxies, Fairlanes, Comets and yes—even Cobra kit cars (can you say $$ CHA-CHING!) While SAAC does not accord “equal” status to all these other vehicles, it nonetheless welcomes them (and their owners) into the club. The reason for this is simple: SAAC has no ownership requirements, so in that sense everyone is welcome to participate. Many members own more than one hobby car and while that first car is usually a Cobra or a Shelby, often the second vehicle is some other Ford performance car. So it is the membership which has actually broadened the club’s scope and determined what cars are accepted at club events (no thanks, I can get that experience cruising a Walmart parking lot)
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So I can't join a Ferrari club or a Corvette Club or a Porsche Club without owning one? Really? Every club that I know of strives to grow membership. It takes money to run a club as large as SAAC. Just what do you find offensive or problematic with the SAAC statement quote you provided? Seems like a club that is looking to foster interest and preserve interest in Shelby automobiles and autos with Shelby connections and history. That is a good thing, no?

Please elucidate for us why the Registry is such a "Train wreck". To me it is well written and organized. It contains a lot of data and info. A very useful resource and learning tool. You should buy one or read it if you have one. Clear you need to. Again, you "conveniently" left out the part of the SAAC quote you used that states they are the pre-eminent authority on Cobras.

You must have some impressive Walmart you shop at if the cars in your Walmart Store are what shows up at a SAAC convention.... please give us the address. Or could it be that you have no clue what shows up at SAAC conventions. I betting its the latter.

BTW no one ever asked. What Shelby/Cobra related vehicle do you happen to own and the conventions you attended? Do tell.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

So I can't join a Ferrari club or a Corvette Club or a Porsche Club without owning one? Really?

Actually, yes, really, in the case of a Porsche. You must provide the VIN of your Porsche in order to join the PCA.

[Maricopa]

Oh FFS....are we really still talking about REAL or not?

I had a laugh this morning at the gym as I climbed in to leave and guy said, "Is that yours?" I said, "If not somebody in there is going to be really disappointed when they come out."

[RET_COP]

I just tell people No. It's a hand built car ( like a race car) that I compete with once and a while. They all seem interested and impressed.
That's all I can contribute, I can't hang with this conversation but it is interesting and entertaining. I've learned alot from it.

[RET_COP]

I’m about as close to Joe Public as you can get for a replica Cobra owner (no stake in the argument) When “THE QUESTION” is asked by Joe and Jane Public, I believe and I think all are wondering if they are in the presence of a 60s Cobra, The Ferrari Killers, the 1million $ + Cobra’s they see on Barrett Jackson Auction, the ones Ken Miles, Dan Gurney drove. Am I wrong?
On a different note: Too many times I have trouble loading this web site, no others just this one.

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

Just say "yeah". They won't know the difference and will remember you forever.

[mullen2]

The way I see it. Don't think I have heard of a better analogy.

1960's (Original) Rolex Submariner - (Continuation) New Rolex Submariner

Both are genuine Rolex Submariners. There are plenty of knock offs for much less but bring them into a Rolex dealer and they quickly tell you its not a Rolex. Same can be done with a inspection of a Shelby Cobra by a qualified Shelby expert and by referencing its CSX vin # via the Registry.

I apply the same logic to the (Original) Shelby Cobras and the Aluminum (Continuations). Both similar in nature with same company building them. Im sure there aren't many employees left building new Rolexes that built the first original Submariners, but the company still makes Genuine name brand product today. The early (Original) Rolex Submariners are very coveted by the collectors who own the handful of them out there. Some own both. "In house movement" may apply some how as well to this analogy...LOL

Sorry to add another line in this never ending topic. After seeing it at the top of the page the last few times I opened the site, I had to click on it, and for fun add my 2 Cents.

In all reality we will all be dead or close to it in 40 years who knows what the cars may or may not be worth then. Im pretty sure none of us will be right if we guessed today. What ever we own, we own because we liked it enough to step up and buy it, who cares what anyone else thinks. Drive the hell out of it and have fun! Cheers boys!

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by mullen2

Attachment 26297

The way I see it. Don't think I have heard of a better analogy.

1960's (Original) Rolex Submariner - (Continuation) New Rolex Submariner

Both are genuine Rolex Submariners. There are plenty of knock offs for much less but bring them into a Rolex dealer and they quickly tell you its not a Rolex. Same can be done with a inspection of a Shelby Cobra by a qualified Shelby expert and by referencing its CSX vin # via the Registry.

I apply the same logic to the (Original) Shelby Cobras and the Aluminum (Continuations). Both similar in nature with same company building them. Im sure there aren't many employees left building new Rolexes that built the first original Submariners, but the company still makes Genuine name brand m, product today. The early (Original) Rolex Submariners are very coveted by the collectors who own the handful of them out there. Some own both. "In house movement" may apply some how as well to this analogy...LOL

Sorry to add another line in this never ending topic. After seeing it at the top of the page the last few times I opened the site, I had to click on it, and for fun add my 2 Cents.

In all reality we will all be dead or close to it in 40 years who knows what the cars may or may not be worth then. Im pretty sure none of us will be right if we guessed today. What ever we own, we own because we liked it enough to step up and buy it, who cares what anyone else thinks. Drive the hell out of it and have fun! Cheers boys!

Perfect.

Uh oh "Mr. Null & Void". What Now?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by mullen2

Attachment 26297

The way I see it. Don't think I have heard of a better analogy.

1960's (Original) Rolex Submariner - (Continuation) New Rolex Submariner

Both are genuine Rolex Submariners. There are plenty of knock offs for much less but bring them into a Rolex dealer and they quickly tell you its not a Rolex. Same can be done with a inspection of a Shelby Cobra by a qualified Shelby expert and by referencing its CSX vin # via the Registry.

I apply the same logic to the (Original) Shelby Cobras and the Aluminum (Continuations). Both similar in nature with same company building them. Im sure there aren't many employees left building new Rolexes that built the first original Submariners, but the company still makes Genuine name brand product today. The early (Original) Rolex Submariners are very coveted by the collectors who own the handful of them out there. Some own both. "In house movement" may apply some how as well to this analogy...LOL

Sorry to add another line in this never ending topic. After seeing it at the top of the page the last few times I opened the site, I had to click on it, and for fun add my 2 Cents.

In all reality we will all be dead or close to it in 40 years who knows what the cars may or may not be worth then. Im pretty sure none of us will be right if we guessed today. What ever we own, we own because we liked it enough to step up and buy it, who cares what anyone else thinks. Drive the hell out of it and have fun! Cheers boys!

Evan, here it comes.

I'm not a "watch person" and know nothing about them. And I don't wear them. But the newer Rolex is CLEARLY A REPLICA. Same logic. IMO.

First, a watch is obviously not a car. Watches don't have to meet Federal safety and emissions regulations, which have dramatically changed automobiles over the past 50 years. If the watch was regulated by the Federal government, then watches would be completely different, even a Rolex.

Second, I'm going to assume that the watch building process and materials have changed over the last 30-50 years, no? The older Rolex is likely made differently using different metallurgy. So are the modern Shelby Cobra replicas. Does the newer Rolex use OEM parts and building processes from the 1960's?

Third, "coveted schmuveted." The older Rolex worth 5-10x more than the newer Rolex? 1960's Cobras are worth $1,000,000-$5,000,000. The most expensive Shelby replica will be the Resurrection Cobras at $500,000 per copy with $50,000 going to charity according to the press release. The 4000 series replicas are roughly $200,000+/-.

Fourth, did Rolex stop building watches for 30 years and change it corporate entity? Carroll Shelby International/Shelby American did.

Different processes, different company, different employees, different parts, and built 30-50 years after the original.

The modern Shelbys are replicas as are the modern Rolexes. To me anyway.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Evan, here it comes.

I'm not a "watch person" and know nothing about them. And I don't wear them. But the newer Rolex is CLEARLY A REPLICA. Same logic. IMO.

First, a watch is obviously not a car. Watches don't have to meet Federal safety and emissions regulations, which have dramatically changed automobiles over the past 50 years. If the watch was regulated by the Federal government, then watches would be completely different, even a Rolex.

Second, I'm going to assume that the watch building process and materials have changed over the last 30-50 years, no? The older Rolex is likely made differently using different metallurgy. So are the modern Shelby Cobra replicas. Does the newer Rolex use OEM parts and building processes from the 1960's?

Third, "coveted schmuveted." The older Rolex worth 5-10x more than the newer Rolex? 1960's Cobras are worth $1,000,000-$5,000,000. The most expensive Shelby replica will be the Resurrection Cobras at $500,000 per copy with $50,000 going to charity according to the press release. The 4000 series replicas are roughly $200,000+/-.

Fourth, did Rolex stop building watches for 30 years and change it corporate entity? Carroll Shelby International/Shelby American did.

Different processes, different company, different employees, different parts, and built 30-50 years after the original.

The modern Shelbys are replicas as are the modern Rolexes. To me anyway.

Oey vey. You really should change your user name to "Curmudgeon"

You also need to go back and "null and void" your above strained "analysis" (you really struggled with this one didn't you. Must have been painful ) which is laced with "assumptions", "I don't know" and statements of the obvious such as the gem that a watch is not a car.

Please explain to us how a gap in manufacturing "null and voids" the analogy. If Tom Kirkham shut production down and decided to manufacture duck decoys for 10 years and then decided to come back and restart Kirkham with new employees now having to source parts and components from new sources and use German aluminum and starting making Kirkham Cobras again would they not be real Kirkham Cobras?

Also, also to follow your logic (if we can call it that) new Indian Motorcycles are not Indian Motorcycles just the originals from 50 years ago?

The higher price that people will pay more for the older classic ones is based on rarity and the fact they are part of a set definite pool. People also pay more for new Rolexs from Rolex than fake Rolexs from the guy on the street in NYC don't they. People also pay more for current series Shelby Cobras from SAI then they pay for an LA Exotic, Unique etc.. that are fake Shelby Cobras.

Maybe you need to stop "squinting your eyes so hard" and open them.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Oey vey. You really should change your user name to "Curmudgeon"

You also need to go back and "null and void" your above strained "analysis" (you really struggled with this one didn't you. Must have been painful ) which is laced with "assumptions", "I don't know" and statements of the obvious such as the gem that a watch is not a car.

Please explain to us how a gap in manufacturing "null and voids" the analogy. If Tom Kirkham shut production down and decided to manufacture duck decoys for 10 years and then decided to come back and restart Kirkham with new employees now having to source parts and components from new sources and use German aluminum and starting making Kirkham Cobras again would they not be real Kirkham Cobras?

Also, also to follow your logic (if we can call it that) new Indian Motorcycles are not Indian Motorcycles just the originals from 50 years ago?

The higher price that people will pay more for the older classic ones is based on rarity and the fact they are part of a set definite pool. People also pay more for new Rolexs from Rolex than fake Rolexs from the guy on the street in NYC don't they. People also pay more for current series Shelby Cobras from SAI then they pay for an LA Exotic, Unique etc.. that are fake Shelby Cobras.

Maybe you need to stop "squinting your eyes so hard" and open them.

Evan, I have to keep repeating myself, because your analogies don't work, whether Rolexes, Kirkhams, Indian Motorcycles or whatever. What's the next analogy?

What's really funny is that your analogy using the Kirkham, is that it's a Cobra replica. So, David would be making replicas of replicas.

After a roughly 30-year gap in its "lineage", using completely different materials, produced by different employees and by a different company, but using the same name, no squinting is needed, it's a replica. Kirkham, Rolex, Indian, whatever.

Shelby is making replicas. There's a reference to it in the SAAC World Registry. Shelby referenced it in the Registry, calling them "true replicas." But for marketing purposes came up with "Continuation Series."

[jhv48]

The original Shelby cars created/changed motor racing history.

A Rolex just tells time.

Apples to cranberries.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Oey vey. You really should change your user name to "Curmudgeon"

You also need to go back and "null and void" your above strained "analysis" (you really struggled with this one didn't you. Must have been painful ) which is laced with "assumptions", "I don't know" and statements of the obvious such as the gem that a watch is not a car.

Please explain to us how a gap in manufacturing "null and voids" the analogy. If Tom Kirkham shut production down and decided to manufacture duck decoys for 10 years and then decided to come back and restart Kirkham with new employees now having to source parts and components from new sources and use German aluminum and starting making Kirkham Cobras again would they not be real Kirkham Cobras?

Also, also to follow your logic (if we can call it that) new Indian Motorcycles are not Indian Motorcycles just the originals from 50 years ago?

The higher price that people will pay more for the older classic ones is based on rarity and the fact they are part of a set definite pool. People also pay more for new Rolexs from Rolex than fake Rolexs from the guy on the street in NYC don't they. People also pay more for current series Shelby Cobras from SAI then they pay for an LA Exotic, Unique etc.. that are fake Shelby Cobras.

Maybe you need to stop "squinting your eyes so hard" and open them.

You mean the Rolex I paid $20 for in Times Square in NYC is a fake? It's not worth a gazillion dollars as a collectible? I'm crushed...

[xb-60]

Originally Posted by fleiss75

I have about 100 miles on my car and it's so much fun driving. Most people are great but I have had a few that scream out the window "Is it real or a kit?" How do you respond to that? I mostly laugh and then leave them in the rear view mirror, but I put so much time and money into this car I find that question so annoying.

This is the original post (above)
Until less than a week ago, this was a four and a half year old thread.
You guys have too much time on your hands

Cheers,
Glen

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by xb-60

This is the original post (above)
Until less than a week ago, this was a four and a half year old thread.
You guys have too much time on your hands

Cheers,
Glen

I volunteer my time to help the misguided here. A civic duty kind of. I would be cruel to allow them to wander around lost. Athough I will admit some grasp it faster then others. Some have been struggling for years.

[Joe's Garage]

Evan just can't help himself, he says Rest assured, I am not "intentionally" misleading anyone, and then follows with the pedigrees are the same.

If the pedigrees were the same, one wouldn't be worth 10-20 times the other, end of story.

Let this be a lesson to all, do not let your replica own you, you own it - enjoy it as a sports car. Otherwise you will end up like Evan, forever "unintentionally" misleading the public about what it is you actually have.

[REAL 1]

Do I have to teach you guys what an analogy is? Sheesh

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Do I have to teach you guys what an analogy is? Sheesh

Evan, you see, here's where you get off track. You elevate yourself above others, insult others and their intelligence, and that's just not nice. Please try to stick with the subject matter.

Whether we use Rolex watches, Indian motorcycles, Kirkham Cobras, etc. to compare with the Shelby Cobra, the answer is still the same. The Shelby Cobras built after 1967-1968 are all just replicas of the originals. The dashboard materials are different, the aluminum is different, wiring, brakes, suspension, differentials, glass, hardware, all different, etc. They just happen to be built by a successor company with the same or similar name. Shelby. Shelby had a marketing meeting and decided to use the term "Continuation" instead of "true replicas."

I think the really important question here, which you brought to the forefront is whether I would buy a 2nd Kirkham, if Kirkham ceased production for 30 years, and then began building replicas of replicas.

[Arvin]

My issue with this is that it usually comes from a guy with a, let's say, a tri-five chevy. New after-market frame, suspension, motor, brakes, suspension, interior, power windows, etc. Isn't your car a "kit car" too??!!!