Cobra replica alum body by Alloycars on ebay

[Cashburn]

I've started too many and not hit reply. So for my own sanity I will hit reply now

[FatBoy]

I've been around Cobras for 20+ years in the UK and Europe and I've never heard of them either.

Just saying.

Paul

[1ntCobra]

If I recall, it seems that Tom said something like they produced these cobra replicas earlier and then sort of took a hiatus from building them and are now just getting back in the game. But then I think he said he still owned the last one built before the break in production. Why doesn't he show us some pictures of that car? Or better yet bring his personal car to his shop for some local cobra club members to check out?

Perhaps his personal car is a bit old and not in show car condition from being a regular driver so the paint might not be as shiny as it could be, etc., but then again why not show us a car with some miles on it to show that it can be reliable driver?

You know Shelby was a bit of a snake oil salesman and could exaggerate a bit. Maybe Tom is too. Perhaps the actual number of cobra replicas built is somewhere between 1 and 150 cars and just maybe that number is actually a lot closer to 1 than 150. Well, lets at least see his personal car to show some proof. Even if he conveniently keeps his personal car at his vacation residence in Paris, Beijing or Hyderbad, there is probably some club cobra member who could stop by to check it out.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

If I recall, it seems that Tom said something like they produced these cobra replicas earlier and then sort of took a hiatus from building them and are now just getting back in the game. But then I think he said he still owned the last one built before the break in production. Why doesn't he show us some pictures of that car? Or better yet bring his personal car to his shop for some local cobra club members to check out?

Perhaps his personal car is a bit old and not in show car condition from being a regular driver so the paint might not be as shiny as it could be, etc., but then again why not show us a car with some miles on it to show that it can be reliable driver?

You know Shelby was a bit of a snake oil salesman and could exaggerate a bit. Maybe Tom is too. Perhaps the actual number of cobra replicas built is somewhere between 1 and 150 cars and just maybe that number is actually a lot closer to 1 than 150. Well, lets at least see his personal car to show some proof. Even if he conveniently keeps his personal car at his vacation residence in Paris, Beijing or Hyderbad, there is probably some club cobra member who could stop by to check it out.

I was thinking that we could use an investigative cobra journalist to seek and out and report on Tom's personal car. Maybe Ned? No, it's not an original cobra. Maybe Trevor? No, he's on the wrong side of the pond (and if he came over to Florida who would watch his greyhounds while he was gone? Not me).

I know, we need our friend Wallace Wyss on the case. This might actually fit into the latest rumored book I heard he was working on. The working title is apparently "Celebrities who owned or perhaps contemplated owning a Cobra who would not date me: My misadventures with Lady Campbell, Miley Cyrus and others".

ghia cobra

I hear the publisher wants Wally to shorten the book's title a bit. Now if only someone would hint to Wally that Florida celebrities like Kim Kardashian and Bruce Jenner are thinking about buying an Alloycars replica and that both of them may be single soon, we might be able to see some fine spy paintings of Tom's car and an interesting chapter to Wally's next book.

[Alloycars]

Originally Posted by 1ntcobra

i was thinking that we could use an investigative cobra journalist to seek and out and report on tom's personal car..

best idea ever since this thread has been opened. But i think we can do this a little bit quicker. If you have some guys who can show up in west palm beach in january 11th, at the "supercar week" show were we are present with some cars we are building. Or getting a reporter...publicity...i like this idea a lot. If you can indicate one just let me know or send him whenever you want. Thank you for your fantastic idea.
But, there is a rumor here that florida people are not welcome to the rest of the usa clubcobra forum. Maybe sometimes someone explain it to me because i dont get it


tom

[G-Pete]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

i dont get it
tom [smalltomsize]

So true.

[patrickt]

I don't know... they were just trying to make a buck and, after all, these cars pretty much all look the same anyway, and a picture's just a picture, and most of can't tell the difference between aluminum and plastic without a magnet anyway (a magnet does work for that, doesn't it?). So, I say we welcome Alloycars in to the fold and just let bygones be bygones. After all, it's almost Christmas Eve. Where's that Holiday spirit?

[jmimac351]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

best idea ever since this thread has been opened. But i think we can do this a little bit quicker. If you have some guys who can show up in west palm beach in january 11th, at the "supercar week" show were we are present with some cars we are building. Or getting a reporter...publicity...i like this idea a lot. If you can indicate one just let me know or send him whenever you want. Thank you for your fantastic idea.
But, there is a rumor here that florida people are not welcome to the rest of the usa clubcobra forum. Maybe sometimes someone explain it to me because i dont get it


tom

Tom, I will be at Homestead-Miami Speedway next weekend (Jan 3 / 4) for a track event with Chin Motorsports. If you want to bring a car, feel free. You'll be able to pull the trailer into the paddock and let the "Miami Money" car guys look at it. I'll bring my Canon 7D and take pictures of it from every which angle and post for all to see.

Send me a message if you'd like to do it as I don't normally lug that camera. It won't cost you a dime other than gas money...

Jim

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

Dear mrmustang.

My name is Ingo and I am the owner of Alloycars. I got some attention to this forum looking up my emails I got after I came back from my vacation in Germany (first one in 15 years).
I was looking over the thread and was very upset about how bad my long year friend Tom took care about our business in my absence,specially answering emails and customer requests.
I cant really follow what this is about but as I understood he wanted to surprise me advertising our new product and having some sales before I am coming back. At this moment I still try to figure out what else he has done.
I can not be mad for someone who has good intention as everybody can make mistakes, but treating forum members this way is absolutely not acceptable.
There were posted photos and information I cant follow as I dont see nothing wrong when I came back but so many forum members and so many obvious replies cant be wrong.
I am deeply in shame as this is not my philosophy. I wanted to use this forum in the future to give me some ideas and critics to perfecting our products. But those actions from my trusted sales manager are totally unacceptable.
I fired Tom immediately and he still was thinking that he is right what bothers me even more. Nothing like this happened in the last 20 years since I am making custom aluminum cars with my team. We are on first place on Google for our aluminum 550 Spyder with 100% excellent reputation from visitors and customers. I think this is why I treat them myself.
I needed a sales manager for my new Cobra business and my first choice was Tom as he knows everything about us and the project. I was so wrong.

Now I am searching for a new sales manager but this will be not so easy. I will have to take care about until everything is going as it must be.

I am asking for accepting my deepest apology and I am fully responsible for actions made in my name and in my company. When I am looking over this thread I still can't believe what happened here.
I am deeply in shame and there are no words to describe how I feel. We are working very hard as this is a hard job. Firing him was one of my best things I have done so far...but for what a price.

Hope you understand and lets start this new year following new ideas with new friends.

Sincerely

Ingo

Ingo,

Your "Friend" Tom must have also been your webmaster as well, as every time we caught him in a lie, mysteriously, the pictures in question were swapped for other stolen images in a short time. File name changes included in an attempt to cover his behind.

The bottom line is that your friend "Tom" was not te start of your problems, as your web site (I've seen it prior to the last Ebay auction) showed pictures of a Factory Five fiberglass car, a Kirkham, and a Kirkham bodies, Factory Five MK II prototype as your own product. The files are still on your server (copies have been archived by various online services that do so for all web sites) as of this morning. So the nefarious means to an end backfired on you and your company. I suspect at this time that "Tom" is actually you, based on the Ebay conversation and posts here, your mannerism and writing style is identical to "Tom". Your excuse for not traveling 5,000 miles back from vacation to show someone a car (Ebay and here, several people who inquired) is the same excuse that you have in your email to me. I think you grossly underestimated the knowledge base of your prospective customer(s) for an aluminum bodies Cobra replica, and you are now attempting to place all blame on the mysterious Tom. Sadly in your case, your posts and your emails have been traced back to one and the same account. Perhaps coming clean, being 100% honest, and facing up to your mistakes might get you out of the doghouse you are in right now. I suspect not, and that you have made enough mistakes to cause irreparable harm to your reputation in the Cobra circles, both real and replica.

Regardless, I wish you well.

Bill S.

[ACademic]

Shelby would paint the same car three different colors to give the illusion that he had inventory to offer. This guy can't even build one to display. Carroll was clearly the better huckster. Half-time score: Shelby 1, "Tom" 0.

[Buzz]

The idea of building the alloy bodies to fit on a FFR frame came from advice given right here on CC in the previous thread. I still think its the way to go, but the pricing needs to be a lot less than a Kirkham.

This latest PR disaster isn't going to help the cause - some people are their own worst enemies.

[Mastiff107]

Well, first off I wish to apologize. I now understand. Tom, I know this is not your real name. You are concealing your real name in fact, because you are a high ranking official in the Nigerian Government who has millions of dollars and wants help establishing a U.S. bank account. I am interested in purchasing one of your beautiful cars! Now if I understand correctly, I will immediately wire the purchase price to you via Western Union and you will return twice that amount of money to me for helping you establish a bank account here in addition to receiving one of your beautiful cars in the near future. I'm your man!

[twobjshelbys]

With all of this has anyone reported to eBay? The ad would likely be pulled. I'll call it what it is: fraud.

[Alloycars]

You know. I am tired to hear from guys like mrmustang and company that there is a friend of him...who owns the pictures....a friend who knows...a friend who owns etc..etc.. mrmustang will have to live with consequences, which are coming soon for publishing a photo from us and telling the open public that this is a stolen picture. Well, he didnt know that before we published those photos in our website we went to a notary and trademarked them, this is why we had a delay to upload them to our website. Same will happen with those jerks at other forums.
Someone has to stop those retards so this forum can be objective. We used a photo from FFR as it was very nice and to show how the final product can be and we had the PERMISSION to do so...isnt it nice?

So far nobody showed up with a picture beside ours, so I am truly happy to have a proof which shows everybody what for bull****ter we have here and I didnt need to do anything. This is why I told in the early beginning...with the time is coming the truth..

So for those people who are not like those mental cases mentioned above we are offering an affordable solution to have an aluminum bodied Cobra. If there is someone who still doesnt believe in reason of those threat from those all wisdom guys with a cristal bowl, thats fine for us.

Besides our kitcar options we are offering our Mk5 for FFR (MKIII-MKIV) owner as an aluminum body kit for FFR from February up. Thats means you are able to swap your Plastic body to an aluminum one. Can be happen that we can do this offer to other brands too but this is future for now.
No worry, no down payment needed. You will be able to pick it up and pay at site.We will have them in stock. They will be sold like first come first go.

I think we are clear here. The MK5 can be seen over our live cams or at our website Alloycars Porsche 550 Spyder aluminum replica / Kit Cars

I forgot: We are open to objective suggestions to make our product better but I think we have to do this in an other threat .

[Rawkkrawler]

I'll say it again, don't say it's your last post if you're just going to come back. But I think we all knew you'd show yourself again. My initial thought was that you might open with some much needed apologies to some of the very constructive post here on the forum. I guess you're proving what we all know.

Suggestion, find anyone near you to type for you, what you do isn't working. Even with the smiley faces, not helping.

As a salesman for this company, I'm still trying to find your wining sales pitch that sells even one unit. I think I feel bad for the owner, not sure yet.

Originally Posted by Alloycars

Someone has to stop those retards so this forum can be objective.

And really, you'll continue to use this word???

Still subscribed.

[Alloycars]

Originally Posted by Rawkkrawler

And really, you'll continue to use this word???.

So how do you think I have to call them?
You know, I am a little bit short fused when someone comes up with very obvious lies. I am pretty sure that when my Boss is coming back from his vacation he is capable to shut off this MK5 KITCAR project, where he invested a lot of money. He wanted to sell complete cars only, so no Kits, no FFR conversion. I came up with those kitcar ideas as I saw a market for it. I agree that we had a bad start and I made some mistakes. I believe that there are a lot of truly objective guys here in this forum and this is why I am still here.

A member 15 years on the forum (my best pal here), is just telling that he dosnt know about a FFR chassis with square tubes....oh my God...do I have really to accept any conversation from such a member again and again? Those old pictures were from our 2007 model, not available to nobody in the USA and built by us. By the way. Where I did show a chassis anyway? We didnt even make advertising from 1996-2007 but this guy and others knows more than even me about this period...incredible.

Ok, here it is:

For objective members only:
I APOLOGIZE IF MY ADD GOT A BAD INTERPRETATION BY PHOTOS WE WERE PERMITTED TO ADD WITH THE INTENTION ONLY TO SHOW HOW THE FINAL PRODUCT WILL LOOK LIKE.

I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO OFFEND SOME MENTAL CASES HERE.

I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FOR MENTAL CASES (sorry, i cant find an other name) WHO ARE MISLEADING OBJECTIVE MEMBERS WITH FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT PHOTOS AND SUPPOSEDLY STOLEN PHOTOS WHICH ARE OURS IN FACT (see my last reply about).

I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE THAT THIS MEGA THREAT TAKE DAYS FOR READING (sorry for laugh cramps).

I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE THAT WE ARE OFFERING A POSSIBILITY TO GET YOU AN ALUMINUM BODY.

I HOPE FOR NOT APOLOGIZING ONE DAY THAT THOSO MENTAL CASES RULE THE WORLD AND I AM LOOSING THE PATIENCE SELLING KITS TO YOU.

FINALLY, I APOLOGIZE THAT SOME OF MY EXPRESSIONS MISLEAD OUR TRULY INTENTION TO DELIVER A NEW PRODUCT, I JUST GETTING UPSET WITH INCOMPETENT REPLIES. I CAN ACCEPT ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE WHO KNOWS ABOUT BUT NOT FROM THOSE ....YOU KNOW. I KNOW THAT I AM NOT EASY TO DEAL WITH...SORRY. SO AGAIN...MY DEEPEST APOLOGIZE.

SO LETS BE GENTLEMEN AND START OVER.

A HAPPY MERRY CHRISTMAS FOR EVERYBODY

[aks801]

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.











(man, this thread is WEIRD...)

[G-Pete]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO OFFEND SOME MENTAL CASES HERE.

Are you out of your mind?

[G-Pete]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

SO LETS BE GENTLEMEN AND START OVER.

You have no standing to demand anything. You not even ask...

Try again, still 0 points for you.

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

I am pretty sure that when my Boss is coming back from his vacation he is capable to shut off this MK5 KITCAR project, where he invested a lot of money.

A HAPPY MERRY CHRISTMAS FOR EVERYBODY [/b]

Well, you certainly have prepared a nice Holiday surprise for him! Are you using his computer while he's gone too?