I want a cobra, how and why

[Hoity]

Originally Posted by Paintwerks

Eagle aren't the cheapest. Russell is building his Pace in Geelong and imported a 5.0 Ford Racing Coyote Aluminator, Ford Racing engine controller package and TKO transmission directly from the USA. He saved a lot of money this way. This motor will pass ADR/Emissions as it is the exact same motor in the current XR8, and forthcoming Mustang due later this year.

I can put you in touch with him if that's the route you wish to go. But, if you decide to go for the Pace, you'll need to decide on your motor choice by the time of ordering as the chassis needs to be built to fit the Coyote.

Hey paintwerks, if I go down the road with pace, it would be great to tap into someone already doing one.
Do you happen to know the engine suppliers name, so I can have browse.
Cheers
Jon

[boxhead]

Talk with an engineer before you decide on an engine.
I dare say the engines you are looking at are Carb ones, and these will not meet compliance.

Originally Posted by Hoity

All very good points and I will concede that my history of the Cobra is not as complete as others.

That being said I have a Ford Performane Racing baseball cap I purchased for $25 about five years ago, if I got a chev I wouldn't feel right wearing the cap.

Went over to eagle auto parts to get some pricing on the options for a v8. I haven't explored the engineering side as to what kit, will this motor fit, or can I get adr approval.

As good as the chev looks from an engineering and performance point of view, I can't bring myself to get rid of my FPR cap. The 5.0L coyote could be the one, by the time you buy the ECU package for the chev, it's about $1500 dearer for the ford. That's for an approx 420 -450 hp package.

There maybe cheaper packages out there but this is a comparative perspective.

[Hoity]

Originally Posted by boxhead

Talk with an engineer before you decide on an engine.
I dare say the engines you are looking at are Carb ones, and these will not meet compliance.

I will definitely go injected, but as you say will still need an engineer!

[Hoity]

Aussie mike, that reminds me of uncles Austin Healy 3000, great cars.

The poms had some great cars back in the day.

[Tenrocca]

Some options here:

SPECIALS SEP 2015

These guys are great.

Remember the coyote is a much larger engine - not sure if anyone has put one in a classic revival. They have gone\are going into Pace cars.

[Modena]

Originally Posted by Tenrocca

Remember the coyote is a much larger engine - not sure if anyone has put one in a classic revival. They have gone\are going into Pace cars.

I looked at it, you would have to chop up the foot boxes.

[Hoity]

Some great pricing.

Not ready to buy yet, even though it's gonna cost more the longer I leave with au dollar not doing us any favours for imports

What I have learnt so far.

I need to decide on a car kit
Put together a build list, with what drivetrain I want(motor gearbox) brakes, steering etc

Then find me an engineer and find out where we sit with getting ADR approval.

Does that sound right?

[leroy17]

Originally Posted by Hoity

Some great pricing.

Not ready to buy yet, even though it's gonna cost more the longer I leave with au dollar not doing us any favours for imports

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I can maybe help with AUD/USD conversions with a 15 pip margin. Anything is possible.

Good work with the knowledge building, you will be a LS convert buy the end of the week. My previous Harrison was a LS, and nearly every outing someone wanted to know what engine, when they saw it, there was never any comments other than......wow!

[Hoity]

I tried calling Ian on the way home but got the message machine. Maybe a pace might be the go, having a look at the Kenmer tomorrow.

Hey daeno59, thanks for the offer, it's a bit like the baggy green, you keep the only one your given. I think I am stuck with having to do a ford. I have always been a ford boy, if grew up as Holden/chev fan I think it's a pretty easy option.

[stephen low]

G'day Hoity

Welcome to the madhouse.

I see your a local boyo, well at least a SE suburbs location.

Depending on your timing to see Marty at Kenmer, you're more than welcome to drop into my garage at Aspendale Gardens. I'll probably be back home after lunch.

In terms of a kits, if I was building again I'd certainly consider Marty's cars. I'd say up front Marty was instrumental in the rebuild and addition of parts into my G-Force after a bingle many many moons ago.

However I spent more than my fair share of time in his factory working on my car amongst quite a number of Kenmer kits similarly being constructed by owners. So I've seen what was going into his kits and how well they are constructed.

Marty has stayed up to date in terms of use of modern parts and he has put a lot of thought and engineering into getting his cars practical to build and capable of fitting all sizes.

More importantly Marty is highly supportive and of course can fabricate whatever you are after to get your car finished to your taste and he is local!

Good luck on the hunt and send me a PM if you want to look at my G-Force.

For a heads up on my rebuild, have a look at the Slowy's cobra update thread that shows the current state of rebuild on my car.

Cheers

[DaveW]

Hoity,
I too looked at Coyote and other Modular engines, too wide to fit between the CR foot wells as Ben says, some fibreglass surgery would be needed.
There is a CR being put together with a Ford donk in Vic at the moment coming along very well. 347 i think and looking the goods.
If you can get over the Ford thing thou, the different LS crate options, price, and after market bits and pieces is a big motivation for the GM donks, even the magic "427" number is available with the LS7, no matter what kit you go for.
I bought my LS3 from a damaged 9000k VE GTS, $7800 with ECU, wiring, pedals, and Tremec 6 speed still attached.

I see you're in Frankston, when you get to the pointy end of deciding, i'm more than happy to show you mine if CR is one of your finalists, as would any of the other Vic builders i'm sure, i'm at Tynong North between Pakenham and Warrigal.

cheers
Dave

[Hoity]

Thanks for the offer Stephen, if I can free up a little more time I will send a pm in the morning if that suits.

[Hoity]

That's interesting with CR not coping without mods, the Windsor motor is obviously narrower and that could be the option if I go with the CR. Eagle auto have a ford bluprint motor in any size that could work, pretty basic motor very old school compared to the chev and coyote. Cheaper too! 400hp $7500 roller cams

[deano59]

Originally Posted by Hoity

That's interesting with CR not coping without mods, the Windsor motor is obviously narrower and that could be the option if I go with the CR. Eagle auto have a ford bluprint motor in any size that could work, pretty basic motor very old school compared to the chev and coyote. Cheaper too! 400hp $7500 roller cams

just remember what ever you choose must meet emissions thats one reason i bought a complete ve v8 calais so i got the engine /ecu wiring loom all sensors the cat convertors and the 6 speed auto . i sold the rolling shell off and the leather trim all the airbags ect ect in the end my motor/trans and all the stuff i need owes me around 3grand all up i even drove the ve home and the motor and box run very smooth and plenty of grunt in a heavy ve so should be great in a cobra ..

[albanycobra]

Don't forget the old favs like G Force....solid car ,awesome body , Jag running gear. cheap entry price but be prepared to search junk yards for bits. One of my reasons for buying Pace was I didn't have to get a skyline this or Sigma that.

[Hoity]

I don't think I will get past the ford thing, so I will stay with ford until something changes.

Next step is to decide on the kit, the pace does tick a lot of boxes, as do a few others.

I will start a spreadsheet to keep track of pros and cons. It's hard when everyone is rightly so passionate about there how and why.

Is there any particular kit which handles better than everyone else's, or are all the kits great. Ie who wins on the racetrack, any particular car brand or is it driver dependent?

[Dimis]

Hoity,
My car has spent a bit of time at Marty's (you'll see it there if you drop in), so I've also seen the kenmer chassis up close. Got to say the chassis looks about as tuff as they come, and all the underskin parts are easily obtained of the shelf should the worst ever happen.

You can't overlook that or be guaranteed of that with bespoke brand kits. AP, or even Kirkham.

That said, If you're keen to do a build and want hands on expert guidance, Marty at Kenmer is your man! Very welcoming, and tolerant of newbies getting in the way while he tries to work.

I must admit, I've learned plenty hanging out there, and has guided me through plenty of rookie mistakes.

Good luck with the research, and good to hear you won't be strayed to the dark side.

[Hoity]

Hey Dimis, had a brief glimpse of your old shiny thing today, very impressive. Look forward to seeing the whole car, will pop in on a Saturday and hopefully catchup then.

Had a good chat with Martin today, there are a lot of Cobras in various stages of builds. Walked away from there trying to decide why you wouldn't do a Kenmer. Access to up to ten other Cobras being built at the same time, free use of the equipment, u pay for what u use.
Approx 1100kg finished weight, ford 302windsor, 5.4l and 5.0l coyote engines all seen today installed.
I can buy the basic kit and essentially build it on site from start to finish, with an expert tradesman/toolmaker/engineer available for advice.
Bbq and beers every Saturday, does it get any better than this!

Anyway back to my spreadsheet, lol

[Jaydee]

The build manual for a CR is basic. I have only rung Ian 3 times I think.
I'm just making it up as I go along. You'll never be able to work out the total cost. Your forever going out and buying nuts and bolts, stainless, carpet, ali, paints, insulation, exhaust bits. My god the list doesn't end. But the end is near. I'm nearly ready to fuel up and start it. I'll try to get all my pictures into my gallery. I found it tricky last time I tried. Your welcome to visit any time.
JD

[gjkrv8]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

The build manual for a CR is basic. I have only rung Ian 3 times I think.
I'm just making it up as I go along. You'll never be able to work out the total cost. Your forever going out and buying nuts and bolts, stainless, carpet, ali, paints, insulation, exhaust bits. My god the list doesn't end. But the end is near. I'm nearly ready to fuel up and start it. I'll try to get all my pictures into my gallery. I found it tricky last time I tried. Your welcome to visit any time.
JD

Jaydee, looking forward to some pics of your build. Hope the first engine start goes well. You're better than me, I reckon I rang Ian 20 times. Cheers Gregg