Pick your side

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by Chaplin

The business issues involved in this could be mediated and resolved rather simply. The real problem (as with many things) in resolving this will be managing the egos involved. If they are arguing about who should have called who first, that tells you something. We may need Dr. Phil for this one!

Chappie...hmmmm...again, dealing with personal as well as institutional issues is one of the main purposes of interest-based bargaining. It is primarily used in labor relations and international diplomacy...both of which are breeding grounds of egocentric positioning.

It is NOT simple confer and compromise mediation which most lawyers are familiar with. While some litigation-mediators have adopted some of its protocols, most have little idea of how it works in multi-demensional disputes. Interest-based bargaining became a buzz word of sorts at seminars during the last several years...folks throw it out there to impress.

We've been using it in my world for several decades. It works between heads of state and business owners and union leaders...neither pairing is known to be subtle in their remarks.

[Buzz]

[xlr8or]

Buzz you are the master.

That is funny as hell.

[VE4MM]

Originally Posted by Buzz

YOU ARE ONE TALENTED ARTIST/COMEDIAN!!!!!!!

MM

[REAL 1]

RacerX: I agree that one reason SAAC wants to track the Continuation series is to make sure they are not confused with the original series. No issue here. However, in keeping track of the Continuation Series Cobras they didn't need to also acknowledge them as real/genuine Cobras at the same time if they didn't want to thereby creating two sets of real Cobras if they didn't want to. They certainly didn't have to acknowledge the Continuation series as real Cobras keep track of both.

Nice try though.



Now back to the regularly scheduled thread topic.

[dblbarrel]

Buzz you did it again, brilliant.
When do the posters come out.

[lovehamr]

Hey Buzz, can you put a smoking hole in CS's foot as well!

[Nedsel]

Jezuz, we are attempting to discuss serious business here, and some folks STILL want to bring it back to whether or not their car should be considered a real Cobra. Dammit, there are much bigger fish to fry here. Start yet another thread on the subject if you must, but please allow constructive dialog on the greater issue so that MAYBE we can accomplish something worthwhile, OK?

[John McMahon]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Jezuz, we are attempting to discuss serious business here, and some folks STILL want to bring it back to whether or not their car should be considered a real Cobra. Dammit, there are much bigger fish to fry here. Start yet another thread on the subject if you must, but please allow constructive dialog on the greater issue so that MAYBE we can accomplish something worthwhile, OK?

Ned,

While many of us have taken up the cause that that you and many SAAC members fight earnestly, there are others that care for nothing more than what their new Cobras are worth. I personally believe in the cause and will contribute greatly at the next SAAC convention in helping to raise money for the SAAC Defense Fund. Others, unfortunately, believe in nothing more than the status of their cars.

[Jamo]

Evan, and those provoking him...it stops now or you can all start enjoying a few days off. Evan...yours will be of a longer duration.

Try me.

[amy B]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Well Buzz I must say, I have admired your abilities in the past. This is certainly a bit closer to home, still your an amazing artist, thank you for letting me have a better body in the cartoon then I have in real life ...lol

Amy


I am honored to be in one of your artistic parodies.... not my favorite topic of the moment, but so be it......

[Jamo]

Heheheeee...yeah, ol Buzz does have a gift.

I ended up with even more hair than I actually have on my "Buzz."

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by amy B

Well Buzz I must say, I have admired your abilities in the past. This is certainly a bit closer to home, still your an amazing artist, thank you for letting me have a better body in the cartoon then I have in real life ...lol

Amy


I am honored to be in one of your artistic parodies.... not my favorite topic of the moment, but so be it......

Amy, I think one of the reasons that 100% of the people have not thrown you completely under the bus because of what Carroll is doing, is because that you are genuinely a car person, and openly put yourself on the enthusiast playing field instead of above it. It's nice to see you taking some of this in stride, instead of lashing out negatively.

While I don't agree with what Shelby is doing, I think you're handling yourself and your position quite well for someone who's literally been thrown in the shark tank with no warning.

And remember, we all warned you when you first started posting here that you were in for quite the ride heading up Shelby .

[amy B]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

Amy, I think one of the reasons that 100% of the people have not thrown you completely under the bus because of what Carroll is doing, is because that you are genuinely a car person, and openly put yourself on the enthusiast playing field instead of above it. It's nice to see you taking some of this in stride, instead of lashing out negatively.

While I don't agree with what Shelby is doing, I think you're handling yourself and your position quite well for someone who's literally been thrown in the shark tank with no warning.

And remember, we all warned you when you first started posting here that you were in for quite the ride heading up Shelby .

TY PowerS, Not easy for either side, And your last statement is an UNDERSTATEMENT! Thanks

A

[JBo]

LOS ANGELES — Carroll Shelby has terminated his company's licensing agreement with the Shelby American Automobile Club.

The 85-year-old car builder and former race driver has demanded that the club turn over its financial statements and all Shelby-related merchandise. The 5,000-member organization keeps records on Shelby cars and verifies their authenticity.

"They've made hundreds of thousands of dollars from my memorabilia and have never shared the financials," Shelby says. "I want the registrations and records under my control."

The club filed a lawsuit on Jan. 28 in U.S. District Court in Boston asking that it not be forced to turn over documents to Shelby. Carroll Shelby's lawyers fired back with a lawsuit on Jan. 29 in the Superior Court in Los Angeles County, demanding all documents. On Jan. 31, Shelby ended the licensing agreement.

The 33-year-old organization has been licensed by Shelby since 1999.

Rick Kopec, the club director, says Shelby can have the license back but says all documents belong to the organization, adding: "Shelby's problem is that he can't control us."

[Buzz]

Amy, you're a great sport. Your presence here alone is testament to your concern for and kinship with the enthusiasts out there. Th' cartoon ain't meant to hurt nobody - jes' a summarizin' the current state of perceptions on this issue. I mean that sincerely and with more than a small measure of affection even though we've never met. To tell the truth, I even maintain a persistent bit of affectionate admiration for ol' C.S. (Come out Shootin') hisself! Business realities granted, the sentimental crux of all this is that while everyone over the years has loved Ol' Shel for his determined, kick a$$ approach when people like Enzo were in the crosshairs, we all also want him to display the benevolent, protecting side of heroism when it comes to dealing with those entities that are seen as "good guys" and friends of the Shelby enthusiast community. Sort of like the super hero who beats the villain into the sidewalk and then jumps in front of a bus, using his might to save an old lady from being run over. Is it fair to hold him to this standard? Did he ever seek out the role of hero to all of the Shelby admirers? Probably not, but that's just the way it happens to be. Good luck with it all Amy, and thanks again for your valued presence. If I could ask you to do anything, it would be to get across to Shelby how important the feelings and perceptions of his legions of fans, admirers and enthusiasts are to his products and to his ultimate legacy.

[diegokid]

I'm new here and just tried going to the SAAC site and couldn't, down at this time. Does this have anything to do with the previous 12 pages of info I've just read.

I just ordered my replica a few weeks ago, I'm kinda scared to say the real name now. Thats what I'll call it! Replica 1, with RPLICA1 for a plate, may even use the Bowtie power, definately not an original.

Not knowing the whole background it seems that if everyone stopped using any of the few dozen terms I think was on page 1 or 2, in another 20 years no one will even know who CS was or what he did.

[computerworks]

The new SAACforum is active...

The Official SAAC Forum - Index

The main SAAC info site (saac.com) is down for maintenance this a.m.

[mrmustang]

Amy,

While you and I do not always see eye to eye, I do have to admire your spunk and tenacity. of course I do question certain comments you have made on other sites, but since you have moderator status there, I guess that is your choice. Just keep in mind that as a spokesperson for SAI and a moderator of those other forums that what you say is just as important as how you say it. I'll leave it for your to contemplate, as the posts made by you within the last week can be taken only one way in regards to the subject of this thread. On a personal note IO do wish you well.


Sincerely,

Bill S.

[REAL 1]

I think I have provided constructive dialog Mr. Nedsel unless you haven't bothered to read what I have been writing both here and on the SAAC web site and the Team Shelby web site. Where is your helpful dialog? Why didn't you comment on Racer X's comments. Guess you missed that!. My comment was a quick retort to the antagonist who wasn't silenced right away but it had to await replies to my comments before the threat of ban was lowered. HMMMM. Wonder why???? Same ol' same ol.

I agree with Amy in the sense that personal attacks, which many here have refined to an art, have no place in this dispute. Her response was a lady like response to a hurtful cartoon.

And Buzz, if you're a fair cartoonist and want to provide satire from both sides why not draw a cartoon from the Team Shelby's perspective directed at SAAC? They have a side in this argument too. You and I may not agree with it but they do.