How do you handle the questions?

[Paul F]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

When you put together your catalog or whatever it is you would like to publish and when This publication or guide begins to be actually purchased and used as a reference by Shelby cobra owners then I will take time out of my day to take a look at it.

Look at it? We need you to help us write it at the conference. The document will be nothing like the SAAC registry. It will not be a catalog. It is a guide to the non-60's Cobra owner as to how to respond to 'the question'. This threads' original intent was to discuss how to answer the question. Many owners have a lot angst about how to deal with the question. You clearly have a lot to contribute for those that own continuation Cobras.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

As to the "federal opinion" the reason why I do not reference it is because it is irrelevant to the issue being discussed now. Perhaps you should have your "star chamber" legal counsel explain to you the difference between "dicta" and the "holding" of a decision and opinion.

Also if you were going to cite a court opinion please provide us with a copy of the opinion and page to which you were referring.

Too much legal mumbo jumbo. I have no idea what you are trying to say. All I know is the judges said Shelby Cobras built after the 60's are kit cars. No, I can't present it as you well know the website that had the judgement or whatever you lawyers call it, took it down. But you probably have a copy of it and I know you are not willing to share it. You've said so in the past.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Paul F

Look at it? We need you to help us write it at the conference. The document will be nothing like the SAAC registry. It will not be a catalog. It is a guide to the non-60's Cobra owner as to how to respond to 'the question'. This threads' original intent was to discuss how to answer the question. Many owners have a lot angst about how to deal with the question. You clearly have a lot to contribute for those that own continuation Cobras.



Too much legal mumbo jumbo. I have no idea what you are trying to say. All I know is the judges said Shelby Cobras built after the 60's are kit cars. No, I can't present it as you well know the website that had the judgement or whatever you lawyers call it, took it down. But you probably have a copy of it and I know you are not willing to share it. You've said so in the past.

As to your first paragraph, Gee whiz, I'm flattered! Why didn't you just say so.. Gald to help where can. As to the "angst" many owners have that don't own real Cobras (original series or continuation series) my official recommendation is that in response to "the question" regardless of whether it's phrased "is it a kit", "is it real" or "is it a replica" the simple response is "it's a pretend Cobra" or "it's a tribute Cobra". Either will work.

As to continuation series owners, they don't need any help since they have no angst in dealing with "the question". At least I don't. The answer for us is rather simple..."Its a continuation series Shelby Cobra". Without fail people are in awe of the Shelby and ask about the car. Unfortunately the interest generated, the photos, videos etc usually cause delays in my excursions. In fact, just happened again today at DMV. The minute they learn it's a Shelby...sheesh.

Fortunately for you with your LA Exotics they don't generate such interest or awe causing such inconvenience. It can be such a pain

As to the second paragraph, you mean you cite a court opinion as establishing or finding a particular fact but now you admit ignorance in understanding it as "mumbo jumbo"? You know it is always better when you don't know or don't understand to keep quiet then to open your mouth and confirm your ignorance. Looks like not only do you have to be schooled on the issue which is the subject of this thread but on the legal "mumbo jumbo" you cited too. I'll just let you figure it out for yourself.

Oh, almost forgot...where did I say I had a copy of the opinion? I actually don't have any of the opinions although I read them and know what the issues were and the holding on the issues. I would have thought that for someone citing the names of the Circuit judges themselves you had copy of the opinion in your back pocket.

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

As to the "angst" many owners have that don't own real Cobras (original series or continuation series) my official recommendation is that in response to "the question" regardless of whether it's phrased "is it a kit", "is it real" or "is it a replica" the simple response is "it's a pretend Cobra" or "it's a tribute Cobra". Either will work.

As to continuation series owners, they don't need any help since they have no angst in dealing with "the question". At least I don't. The answer for us is rather simple..."Its a continuation series Shelby Cobra". Without fail people are in awe of the Shelby and ask about the car. Unfortunately the interest generated, the photos, videos etc usually cause delays in my excursions. In fact, just happened again today at DMV. The minute they learn it's a Shelby...sheesh.

Even though what Evan says is factually true, he intentionally misleads the inquisitor into thinking they are looking at an original, 60's era, Shelby Cobra.
I think we all can agree that when asked "the question", the inquisitor is really asking whether or not they are in the presence of an original, 60's era, Shelby Cobra.

Based on that assumption, the correct answer to "the question" would be: "It's not an original Shelby Cobra. It's a Shelby Continuation Series Cobra."

Evan, if you don't like all the attention your car generates every time you park it, then tell the WHOLE truth when someone asks "the question" and then spend the next few minutes explaining what a continuation series is.
Intentionally misleading those that care to ask is beneath you. If you are truly proud of your car, as you should be, don't embellish its pedigree by trying to glom onto the fame of the originals.
Yours is a remake of the original, not an original. Be proud and educate those that care to ask. And don't try to justify your answer by saying that you are merely answering their question. We all know what they truly want to know, and your misleading answer is beneath you.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by jhv48

Even though what Evan says is factually true, he intentionally misleads the inquisitor into thinking they are looking at an original, 60's era, Shelby Cobra.
I think we all can agree that when asked "the question", the inquisitor is really asking whether or not they are in the presence of an original, 60's era, Shelby Cobra.

Based on that assumption, the correct answer to "the question" would be: "It's not an original Shelby Cobra. It's a Shelby Continuation Series Cobra."

Evan, if you don't like all the attention your car generates every time you park it, then tell the WHOLE truth when someone asks "the question" and then spend the next few minutes explaining what a continuation series is.
Intentionally misleading those that care to ask is beneath you. If you are truly proud of your car, as you should be, don't embellish its pedigree by trying to glom onto the fame of the originals.
Yours is a remake of the original, not an original. Be proud and educate those that care to ask. And don't try to justify your answer by saying that you are merely answering their question. We all know what they truly want to know, and your misleading answer is beneath you.

I understand your concern and point. I appreciate your comments too. Rest assured, I am not "intentionally" misleading anyone. Without fail I add to the discussion that Shelby began producing Cobras again in 1996. That's when the cell phones and videos start. There is no confusion as to originality. Pedigree is the same.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Pedigree is the same.

Meh, if a pedigree can have a roughly 30 year gap in its lineage, use completely different materials, produced by different employees and by a different company, though using the same name. Sure, if you really squint hard enough.