How do you handle the questions?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Arvin

My issue with this is that it usually comes from a guy with a, let's say, a tri-five chevy. New after-market frame, suspension, motor, brakes, suspension, interior, power windows, etc. Isn't your car a "kit car" too??!!!

But at least the original metal body from the mid-1950's is still being used. The aluminum from the 1960's is not the same as the modern aluminum circa late 1990's thru today. In fact, Kirkham uses aluminum that is thicker than the originals (0.059" versus 0.050").

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by Arvin

My issue with this is that it usually comes from a guy with a, let's say, a tri-five chevy. New after-market frame, suspension, motor, brakes, suspension, interior, power windows, etc. Isn't your car a "kit car" too??!!!

Wouldn't that be "hot rodding" a car ??? I have a 88 Mazda RX7. Buick Turbo V6, 200R4 trans and a Ford 8.8 rear. I tell people it was a joint effort between Buick/Mazda. Lots believe me I think
Can't believe how upset guys are over a stupid old car

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Blue66

Wouldn't that be "hot rodding" a car ??? I have a 88 Mazda RX7. Buick Turbo V6, 200R4 trans and a Ford 8.8 rear. I tell people it was a joint effort between Buick/Mazda. Lots believe me I think
Can't believe how upset guys are over a stupid old car

Can you believe those rotary engine collector types?

If they have any question about lineage and authenticity, just show them your Rolex Submariner. That'll show them.

[REAL 1]

JoesGarage: you never told us what Shelby related vehicle you own..?

Waiting.

[jhv48]

Analogy; a comparison of two things based on their being alike in some way.

Stretching it somewhat!

[NewYorkGuy]

Rolex does their manufacturing in house, from movements to crystals.

SAI farms their cars out of house, bumper to bumper.

having a license plate "Real 1" on a replica Cobra is misleading Joe Public

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Rolex does their manufacturing in house, from movements to crystals.

SAI farms their cars out of house, bumper to bumper.

having a license plate "Real 1" on a replica Cobra is misleading Joe Public

Uh oh! I usually try to tickle the bear, not poke it with a sharp stick!

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Rolex does their manufacturing in house, from movements to crystals.

SAI farms their cars out of house, bumper to bumper.

having a license plate "Real 1" on a replica Cobra is misleading Joe Public

It's so obvious even a Nissan Leaf owner knows the difference. Wait, I meant to say bloody obvious, Evan thinks I'm a Brit

Just think of all the people that see that plate and think WOW, and original 60's Cobra!!

Rest assured, I am not "intentionally" misleading anyone

[1985 CCX]

I say I made it..........................
Replica made by me...... Scratch
Then I say in the process a kit would have been a blessing. LOL

[rodneym]

Jeff,
A kit may have been a blessing but you can't argue with those results!

Me? If I had my druthers, I'd take an Exact Carbon (as a kit) and when I need help, I'd ask my pals at McCluskey.
Hmmmm...

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

I say I made it..........................
Replica made by me...... Scratch
Then I say in the process a kit would have been a blessing. LOL

And you did a beautiful job Jeff. Something no one can take away from you!

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Just think of all the people that see that plate and think WOW, and original 60's Cobra!!

Rest assured, I am not "intentionally" misleading anyone

So Joe what do You have ???? You will like my plate #..."CSX-2" ... Ahh the net

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

It's so obvious even a Nissan Leaf owner knows the difference. Wait, I meant to say bloody obvious, Evan thinks I'm a Brit

Just think of all the people that see that plate and think WOW, and original 60's Cobra!!

Rest assured, I am not "intentionally" misleading anyone

Yes, you caught me. I am intentionally misleading people. Ouch, ouch ouch. ....

BTW still waiting to hear what you own that is Shelby related.

Waiting.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Rolex does their manufacturing in house, from movements to crystals.

SAI farms their cars out of house, bumper to bumper.

having a license plate "Real 1" on a replica Cobra is misleading Joe Public

Another vicious beating dished out to the now debunked and disgraced Mullen Rolex analogy. I thought you were brighter than that. You have obviously been watching too much "Days of Our Lives" and have gone soft upstairs maybe.

Obviously no one or few here understands what an analogy is and the purpose in drawing analogies.

Are you aware that AC used subcontractors to form panels in the 60's also and used components from other manufacturers? Hmmm.

So now I am "intentionally" misleading people with my license plate? This is getting "richer" by the minute. My sides hurt from laughing.

Here is the deal. Last I checked my MSO and title and where my car came from was Shelby American. Last I check the World Registry of Cobras and GT40s said it was a genuine Shelby Cobra too and not classified as a "KIT". Thus my plate "REAL 427". I have never had a discussion with other motorist while actually driving on road fielding the question "Is it REAL". Further, I really don't care what motorists think, or feel or ponder when they see my plate. The plate is for me and reflects my legally and factually correct statement of what the car which I am proud of BTW. It is a simple statement of fact. No apologies forthcoming on that one. Sorry.

Since you raised this subject lets have a show of hands by chiming in as how many here that don't even own a real Shelby Cobra either original or continuation have plates that reflect "1965" or "1966" other wise say "CSX", "Cobra", "Shelby" or any other combination of letters or numbers that leads people to believe it is Shelby Cobra when in actually it is a fake in every respect and merely has a plastic "look a like" shell covering a chassis that is as far removed from a genuine Cobra chassis as the chassis of my go kart when I was a kid. Don't be shy kiddies. Fess up.

BTW did NYGuy ever buy a Cobra kit? Still searching?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Rolex does their manufacturing in house, from movements to crystals.

SAI farms their cars out of house, bumper to bumper.

having a license plate "Real 1" on a replica Cobra is misleading Joe Public

In terms of hurling insults, there is one "carveout." And that's NYG. Have at it.

[rodneym]

FYI, the most sought after and valuable Rolexes are vintage Daytonas, which had an outsourced Valjoux and later Zenith movements.

Questioning Shelby's continuity seems fair. It's unique because it's production stopped, then was left unguarded (hello, replicas), then resurrected as a 'Buyer Must Complete' vehicle. Different than most come-back products. Companies live, die and breathe again (and usually just as a brand). With Shelby, (until recently) the old man was still there. Sourcing out, like the old days.

Evan: Original, No. Real, Yes. It's a grey area. It's just my opinion, which doesn't change what I think of his Cobra. It's "up there".

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by rodneym

Questioning Shelby's continuity seems fair. It's unique because it's production stopped, then was left unguarded (hello, replicas), then ressurected as a 'Buyer Must Complete' vehicle.

Rodney, thanks for mentioning one other difference between the original Shelby Cobra and the modern Shelby Cobra replica, and that is a BUYER MUST COMPLETE his or her own Cobra since US laws prohibit selling them as a completed (by manufacturer or dealer, at least here in CA) and license-able vehicle today. And why the "Competition" series aka Resurrection Cobras must be sold as off road vehicles.

Talking watches puts me quickly asleep, but I have a question for you watch enthusiasts. When Rolex's are sold today, do Rolex buyers take the watch body or chassis and band back to their houses and then the Rolex buyers install the "movement and crystals" at home?

Lastly, I'm not questioning the continuity of the Shelby Cobra replica, since there was a gap in production from 1967 to 1996 or thereabouts. That doesn't meet the definition of continuity. What I'm questioning is the pedigree or lineage, since the company, employees, the building and sales, registration and licensing process(es), parts, etc. aren't the same as what was used in the 1960's.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Rodney, thanks for mentioning one other difference between the original Shelby Cobra and the modern Shelby Cobra replica, and that is a BUYER MUST COMPLETE his or her own Cobra since US laws prohibit selling them as a completed (by manufacturer or dealer, at least here in CA) and license-able vehicle today. And why the "Competition" series aka Resurrection Cobras must be sold as off road vehicles.

Talking watches puts me quickly asleep, but I have a question for you watch enthusiasts. When Rolex's are sold today, do Rolex buyers take the watch body or chassis and band back to their houses and then the Rolex buyers install the "movement and crystals" at home?

Lastly, I'm not questioning the continuity of the Shelby Cobra replica, since there was a gap in production from 1967 to 1996 or thereabouts. That doesn't meet the definition of continuity. What I'm questioning is the pedigree or lineage, since the company, employees, the building and sales, registration and licensing process(es), parts, etc. aren't the same as what was used in the 1960's.

Again, since you are not questioning the "continuity" of SAI (wisely) in the whole equation lets just say hypothetically SAI never closed down and they kept making Cobras over time or lets say they stopped production and made wheel chairs for 20 years and then went back to Cobras but suppliers and employees changed over time to what they are today. The cars coming from SAI in 1996 to present are not Shelby Cobras?

Come on. There is only one logical answer to that one.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Again, since you are not questioning the "continuity" of SAI (wisely) in the whole equation lets just say hypothetically SAI never closed down and they kept making Cobras over time or lets say they stopped production and made wheel chairs for 20 years and then went back to Cobras but suppliers and employees changed over time to what they are today. The cars coming from SAI in 1996 to present are not Shelby Cobras?

Come on. There is only one logical answer to that one.

There is one logical answer and that is the modern Shelby is a replica.

Your hypothetical doesn't work for two reasons. One, laws changed and cars changed. Today's Porsche and Corvette look nothing like their vintage brethren. And two, using your hypothetical, materials and processes changed. Kirkham can make an aluminum body in about 15 minutes or so, whereas in the 1960's, it probably took them a month to produce a Cobra's aluminum body (I have no clue, just making it up as I go along ). And the aluminum's metalurgy has changed over the last 30-50 years.

Even when I was interested in magnesium wheels for my Kirkham and checked with a company back East (I forget, maybe Rodney knows the name of Fran's manufacturer) that made magnesium wheels, they said the magnesium had changed over the last 50 years and it's different (allegedly better).

Face it. You own one of Earth's Best Genuine Shelby Cobra replicas.

[mrmustang]

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