How do you handle the questions?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Oey vey. You really should change your user name to "Curmudgeon"

You also need to go back and "null and void" your above strained "analysis" (you really struggled with this one didn't you. Must have been painful ) which is laced with "assumptions", "I don't know" and statements of the obvious such as the gem that a watch is not a car.

Please explain to us how a gap in manufacturing "null and voids" the analogy. If Tom Kirkham shut production down and decided to manufacture duck decoys for 10 years and then decided to come back and restart Kirkham with new employees now having to source parts and components from new sources and use German aluminum and starting making Kirkham Cobras again would they not be real Kirkham Cobras?

Also, also to follow your logic (if we can call it that) new Indian Motorcycles are not Indian Motorcycles just the originals from 50 years ago?

The higher price that people will pay more for the older classic ones is based on rarity and the fact they are part of a set definite pool. People also pay more for new Rolexs from Rolex than fake Rolexs from the guy on the street in NYC don't they. People also pay more for current series Shelby Cobras from SAI then they pay for an LA Exotic, Unique etc.. that are fake Shelby Cobras.

Maybe you need to stop "squinting your eyes so hard" and open them.

Evan, I have to keep repeating myself, because your analogies don't work, whether Rolexes, Kirkhams, Indian Motorcycles or whatever. What's the next analogy?

What's really funny is that your analogy using the Kirkham, is that it's a Cobra replica. So, David would be making replicas of replicas.

After a roughly 30-year gap in its "lineage", using completely different materials, produced by different employees and by a different company, but using the same name, no squinting is needed, it's a replica. Kirkham, Rolex, Indian, whatever.

Shelby is making replicas. There's a reference to it in the SAAC World Registry. Shelby referenced it in the Registry, calling them "true replicas." But for marketing purposes came up with "Continuation Series."

[jhv48]

The original Shelby cars created/changed motor racing history.

A Rolex just tells time.

Apples to cranberries.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by jhv48

The original Shelby cars created/changed motor racing history.

A Rolex just tells time.

Apples to cranberries.

Ok, you just destroyed the analogy Mullen offered with your insightful analysis.

Are you truly that lost? I can't

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Ok, you just destroyed the analogy Mullen offered with your insightful "analogy".

Are you truly that lost? I can't

Again, Evan, why are you getting sidetracked with insulting other member's opinions. Just stay on topic and let the poster know why his opinion doesn't agree with your opinion, because that's all we're talking about here. Opinions, whether it be from noted Cobra experts like Ned or from a lowly pleb like me.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Again, Evan, why are you getting sidetracked with insulting other member's opinions. Just stay on topic and let the poster know why his opinion doesn't agree with your opinion, because that's all we're talking about here. Opinions, whether it be from noted Cobra experts like Ned or from a lowly pleb like me.

I don't know if you are a Lib, but this is spoken like a true lib.

I see...., my "opinions" insult others. I am not setting forth "opinions". See here is the difference....I am setting forth fact. You are blinded by this "replica" or "not a replica issue". Its irrelevant. The important fact is the Shelbys are genuine Cobras whether you want to call them replicas or not it matters not a wit. The World Registry deals very comprehensively and logically with this issue. I would recommend you read it if you have a Registry. It will hopefully remove your confusion on the issue of this replica conundrum you and others are having. Its really simple once you understand it. Ned is an expert on original cars but Ned can't change the facts or reality about the current Shelby Continuation cars being genuine Cobras/Shelby Cobras. Also if you are such a "pleb" (an admission) I would again urge you to educate yourself and read the World Registry on the issue. Really.

You have been given tremendously good analogies that you choose to pull apart with meaningless details that have no impact on the analogy itself. Of course there are differences in time, metallurgy, suppliers, employees, successor company etc...The analogies given were good ones. You refuse to open your eyes and prefer to "squint" to further see what you want to see.

While my "opinions" about the status of my Shelby you say insults others you seem perfectly content to sit there and say nothing about the personal insults hurled in my direction. That I guess this fair in your book. You also seem to have no problem or fail to see or acknowledge the fact that the "opinion" of these "others" is demeaning to the cars an entire class of people here own and take pride in. That is obviously fair in your book too. A typical lib double standard.

See I have a different book. It says don't let people distort the truth and facts and speak up for what's fair and right and do it factually and avoid personal invectives. If that hurts feelings ... tough nuts.

I am not a politically correct person. I tend to say it like it is.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I don't know if you are a Lib, but this is spoken like a true lib.

I see...., my "opinions" insult others. I am not setting forth "opinions". See here is the difference....I am setting forth fact. You are blinded by this "replica" or "not a replica issue". Its irrelevant. The important fact is the Shelbys are genuine Cobras whether you want to call them replicas or not it matters not a wit. The World Registry deals very comprehensively and logically with this issue. I would recommend you read it if you have a Registry. It will hopefully remove your confusion on the issue of this replica conundrum you and others are having. Its really simple once you understand it. Ned is an expert on original cars but Ned can't change the facts or reality about the current Shelby Continuation cars being genuine Cobras/Shelby Cobras. Also if you are such a "pleb" (an admission) I would again urge you to educate yourself and read the World Registry on the issue. Really.

You have been given tremendously good analogies that you choose to pull apart with meaningless details that have no impact on the analogy itself. Of course there are differences in time, metallurgy, suppliers, employees, successor company etc...The analogies given were good ones. You refuse to open your eyes and prefer to "squint" to further see what you want to see.

While my "opinions" about the status of my Shelby you say insults others you seem perfectly content to sit there and say nothing about the personal insults hurled in my direction. That I guess this fair in your book. You also seem to have no problem or fail to see or acknowledge the fact that the "opinion" of these "others" is demeaning to the cars an entire class of people here own and take pride in. That is obviously fair in your book too. A typical lib double standard.

See I have a different book. It says don't let people distort the truth and facts and speak up for what's fair and right and do it factually and avoid personal invectives. If that hurts feelings ... tough nuts.

I am not a politically correct person. I tend to say it like it is.

A "fact" is there are about 1,000 original Shelby Cobras, though not all exist today.

Fast forward to the mid-1990's and a few people got together and decided to call the modern Shelby Cobra, a "Continuation Series." Why? They didn't think "true replica" would sell cars. That's in the SAAC Registry, which you choose to ignore or maybe you didn't read.

Yes, I've read the Registry. For marketing purposes, your car is called a "continuation series." That's not a fact IMO. I choose to call it a replica. Shelby and SAAC consist of humans and these humans, wrongly I might add, decided to put the modern Shelby replica in the Registry and call them Continuation Cobras. What you call a "fact" is just a matter of opinion by a few select humans, and that "fact" (opinion in my world) can change in time or at least I hope.

As for labels and labeling people, call me anything you want, just don't call me "Shirley."

Just stop calling folks "lost," "misguided," "curmudgeon" or whatever insult you want to hurl at people.

[rodneym]

But Rodkock, NO companies are the same over time.
Not Ferrari.
Not Ford.
Not Rolex.
I 'get' part of your argument, but not with the "building, people, etc are different". It's just not reality.

Most Heuer freaks would take a vintage Carrera any day. But if a Heuer freak had a look-a-like, is he really gonna bash the new TAG/Heuers? Sure, if he wants to feel better about himself.

For everybody else: Evan's license/moniker is 'REAL1', not 'ORGNL1'. There's a bit of a wink and a nod in there, but it's not inaccurate. No reason to get our collective panties in a bunch.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

A "fact" is there are about 1,000 original Shelby Cobras, though not all exist today.

Fast forward to the mid-1990's and a few people got together and decided to call the modern Shelby Cobra, a "Continuation Series." Why? They didn't think "true replica" would sell cars. That's in the SAAC Registry, which you choose to ignore or maybe you didn't read.

Yes, I've read the Registry. For marketing purposes, your car is called a "continuation series." That's not a fact IMO. I choose to call it a replica. Shelby and SAAC consist of humans and these humans, wrongly I might add, decided to put the modern Shelby replica in the Registry and call them Continuation Cobras. What you call a "fact" is just a matter of opinion by a few select humans, and that "fact" (opinion in my world) can change in time or at least I hope.

As for labels and labeling people, call me anything you want, just don't call me "Shirley."

Just stop calling folks "lost," "misguided," "curmudgeon" or whatever insult you want to hurl at people.

Maybe I call people "clowns"? Better?

You obviously are just citing the part you want without finishing the rest of it on the issue including the "definitional" section.

If people are misguided they are misguided. That's how I'll call it. They'll have to deal with it even if it hurts their little feelings, but again if it helps I can add an adjective like "clown" first. You seem to have no issue with that.

You are also continuing to miss the crucial point and issue.